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In Miami opinion I'm sure Turner was one of the better players left. Also, if you have not noticed there was a run on WR right before Miami's pick. ( 4 of the last 5 were Wr ) If Turner was the last big one they had an interest in then they probably felt like had to move on him
Only Wr Miami had playing last year were Ginn, Hartline, Bess & Cam, so there was not a 5th option.
Probably had more to do with Cam's special teams ability & Turners lack of it.
When you are the 4th opinion then ST play usually determines things. If you think about it, all Miami's WR played ST in one form or another.
An entire Rd? Well if Kiper chimed in then it must be true.
Where was Kipers opinion on M. Colston? Did he had him projected higher? Like 1st Rd? or even 2nd? He exploded onto the NFL scene his rookie year. So please do not hand me Kiper or any draft guru. They all miss on player just as much as other. Mike Mayock loved Pat White. Here is what he had to say "Excellent arm/accuracy, the new 'slash'?"
Hartline had an ok rookie season, but lets not get a head of ourselves. He is replaceable.
So if Turner is just slower developing than others & in 5 Yrs he is a quality Wr will you still come back & say there were 80 better players on the board? BTW I wanted Miami to draft Jared Cook. L. Murphy would have been the better pick instead of Hartline.
Instant results are not an indicator of NFL success. The NFL is full of players who had great rookie years, but never did anything else the rest of their career, just as there are players who did nothing their rookie year & ended up have long productive careers.
Why not wait & see what Turner does this camp. If he is still not getting some type of playing time, then odds are he was, but it was just his rookie year & Wr is one of the hardest position. I thought they reached for Turner, but as I stated above. Maybe they felt like they had too.
BTW, you do know that Hartline had pretty much the same late Rd/UDFA. grade on him?
You do realize that the ability to play special teams is what increases your value in the draft, right? Particularly for WR prospects that I don't view as potential starting caliber WR's anyway...
Patrick Turner did not have any special teams value attached to him whatsoever....which is why he was even lower on my draft board (and whoever elses).....along with the inability to create seperation against college defensive backs...
The 5th "option" would've been some way to get the ball in his hands even if it had to be kick/punt returns...
I'm not even sure what you want to debate here....Patrick Turner was drafted with a 3rd round pick and never so much as peered at the huddle through his facemask....period...
Even if he had, I would still have considered him a reach in the 3rd round...
Does it mean he's going to suck forever? Of course not....but the guys that drafted him are the one's that have to answer for what he does or doesn't do from here on out....not me...
I agree that Jared Cook and Louis Murphy would've been better picks than Hartline....but they would've had to take Murphy in the 3rd instead of Turner....which is what I would've done...I talked about Murphy quite a bit as a 3rd round target for Miami in last years draft...
Listen...if these guys felt like Patrick Turner was the best player available when they chose him....then so be it...I can't fault them for staying true to their draft board...I can't fault anybody for staying true to their draft board...
We obviously just had much different opinions on Turner.....it is what it is...
Honestly, I didn't even have Hartline as a draftable prospect...I actually had a guy that they just signed to the practice squad a while back (Julius Pruitt) as a more draftable prospect.....and Hartline looks like he could end up being a solid #2 option...if he does...then doubling up on the picks will pay off in the long run...
However, with Miami's WR position being what it was, it's fairly obvious that their intentions were to land a WR to come in and contribute....and they succeeded...
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