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Tale of the Tape: VERY Interesting Pats-Dolphins

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I was having a debate with my buddy who runs Billsbuzz.com, Mark Weiler, and after doing some research I thought I'd share some things I found with you guys.

First thing is first. The tale of the tape.

Dolphins Ranking, Patriots Ranking
Pass Offense: #23, #2
Rush Offense: #15, #28
Pass Defense: #14, #27
Rush Defense: #20, #27

That's the initial tale of the tape. Many people discount the tale of the tape, saying that the opponents have played different sets of teams, and therefore different rankings are to be expected. This is a valid, fair assessment.

Except in this case.

We're looking at the opponents who have played the Dolphins, and the opponents who have played the Patriots. One think you have to do when doing this, is when you're looking at the opponents who have played the Dolphins, you have to disregard what the Dolphins themselves did against them. To include those results would be "muddying the water" and allowing a bias to show up in the data. For instance, if you're trying to show that tha Dolphins have a poor pass offense because they've played good pass defenses, the Dolphins' poor results against those defenses would be biasing the data toward your thesis. You're not getting a clean result or an objective look at how those defenses actually played against people other than you.

So here are the results. This is measured in yardage per game, of the average Dolphins opponent and the average Patriots opponent.

Dolphins Avg Opponent, Patriots Avg Opponent
Pass Offense: 185.9, 190.3
Rush Offense: 128.2, 132.4
Rush Defense: 109.2, 104.6
Pass Defense: 201.8, 203.0

This is very remarkable in that the Patriots average opponent has been almost identical to the Dolphins average opponent on both sides of the ball. In other words, the tale of the tape is a CLEAN LOOK at the differences between the Dolphins and Patriots.

You have the Patriots outstanding passing attack, vs. the Dolphins relatively better rushing attack, rush defense, and pass defense. None of these attributes can be cleanly explained by who the Patriots have played versus who the Dolphins have played or vice versa.

This will be a great view of how the tale of the tape plays out on the field when both opponents have basically played very similar opponents.
 
Hmmmm. that is very interesting. This shows that in our case the rankings do actually matter
 
Excellent analysis and shows how important an effective running game will be this week and how much emphasis we need to put on a great performance by our secondary. I'm looking forward to see if the trends play out in tomorrow's game.
 
catapano said:
im surprised how horrible there pass defense is, wow i thought we were bad

Thats what hapens when your whole secondary is hurt. Seriously do they have any begining of the year starters left back there?
 
I'm sorry but unless I'm misreading those stats, I just can't see how teams would be averaging almost twice as many rushing yards than passing yards. Also, how they'd be averaging under 130 yards passing per game whilst averaging over 200 rushing -- yet we've only given up one 100 yard rusher. :confused:
 
HysterikiLL said:
I'm sorry but unless I'm misreading those stats, I just can't see how teams would be averaging almost twice as many rushing yards than passing yards. Also, how they'd be averaging under 130 yards passing per game whilst averaging over 200 rushing -- yet we've only given up one 100 yard rusher. :confused:

my guess is that he mixed up rush and pass. i dont see how any team can average 200/g--either doing it or giving it up.

but if im to accept this data for what it is, then the dolphins are a bit better team
 
I like the idea, but just like in basketball its all about mathups. How the Patsies matchup against the Bills, for example, personel wise doesn't have anything to do with they matchup against us personel wise. So I have always been weary of the common oppenent stats. But that is just me :).
 
Nice Post CK...

catapano said:
im surprised how horrible there pass defense is, wow i thought we were bad
Kind of makes me think that we should attack their weakness, aka, their Passing Game...

Then use a Running attack to maintain TOP...
 
Disnardo said:
Kind of makes me think that we should attack their weakness, aka, their Passing Game...

Then use a Running attack to maintain TOP...
im starting to feel the same way
 
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