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JAREDMANN

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Before voting started I thought I would start a thread about my feelings on other peoples teams and expalin why I will vote the way I do. Please reply if you do not agree and feel free to critique my GM moves.

Vikings:Starting out with the blockbuster you never got near enough for Randy Moss. No great young stars picked up with no 1st so u got older, Seau is awesome but not 3 mill good and Hartwell is not 4 mill good along with a few other players overpaid, draft was a little weak a good LB but Shazor I doubt will become anything and u never really needed a QB. On the positive side Gates and Caldwell were a sweet pick-up and u won that trade and while Dillion does not really match how the Vikes play at all he is a sweet player and u won that trade as well.

Eagles:Good but Eagles were good before hand. LT was a sweet pick-up and u ripped him off in that trade. The Chad Johnson and Owens trade also was a definate win for you. So on the offensive side u did well but defensive not so much. Doss was a weak pick up and your CB's are much weaker. This leaves a large hole in your secoundary you never had before. Another weakness is your receiving in draft you tried but still no help for Johnson and he wont be able to do what Owens did and still no good TE. Not many picks in the draft but they were high ones.

Ravens:Wow definately going for all or nothing. Vick trade with me I think i ripped you off, Vick for a QB I feel is just as good along with a steady tackle and 2 firsts, McGahee trade was good but he is totally unproven with only one good year and i personally would have sticked with Lewis, 9 mill on Harrison I think was too much but your team had a massive amount of spending room so why not, no draft picks in the top 5 rounds really hurts, Jonas Jennings 5.5 mill again was a little much. Definate improvement but you should have improved more with the amount of money you had and made some in my opinion shaddy decisions.

Steelers:Main thing to turn me off was final trade, you got some great players but that is not a trade a team does when there this close to the Superbowl it is a trade they do when those great players mean little and they need to rebuild. Other then that nothing to major you had a good team to start with Jamal will not be that final piece and you did fill in for Burress well until you then traded Ward away. You did alright in Fa with no real major pick-ups (Edwards Wiggins not bad) and had a great draft but again not what you needed. I would have tried to pick-up those players to take you to the next level ie.Rolle instead you took a step back and set up for the future. If you were a re-building team A+ because you're the farthest thing from rebuilding not nearlly as good


Jets draft went good 4 good players and some good depth later on, no trades???, I know you made some I just don't know what they were so I cant decide if they are good or bad, 6 mill on Baxter is too much but I think you needed to do it, while Shaun Williams is a sweet pick up. Not much to talk about you never did much which works for some teams but not the Jets who needed to take that next step which a big trade could have done for you, (little better in the WR and secoundary while a little worse in the D-line and line backer) you will definately get some crap for not replacing your kicker. I think the Jets are a huge name or two away from SB and you never made a major step I would have gone after a Moss, Chad Johnson, Moulds, Harrison or T.O and I know you got Porter but that doesn't cut it for me. Mainly for you I think your team is alright but I don't know where some players went or how you got others so I cant really rank you

Titans: I think you had trouble deciding whether or not you wanted to re-build or go for the chapionship because you are sort of stuck in the middle. The Moss trade was a good one for you but only if you put players around him, ie. A Quarterback. By the time Smith is good enough Moss will be gone and so will all those great young stars and draft picks you could have gotten for him. Barlow waste of 3 mill not because of his talent but because of the great talent of Brown ahead of him. Abraham again fine pick-up if you are going for the SB but Abraham and Smith should never be on the same starting line-up. Abrham should not be on a re-building team which you should have tried to do and a rookie QB should not be on a team trying to contend. Also again I have no idea who you drafted besides Smith obviously.

Saints:Traded draft picks away which first of all I dont really like it just means you got older and you did it quick before alot of GM's were even here. Good trade to get Chad Johson bad trade when you let him go IMO. Bowens? Sapp at DE? Also I think you definatley lost more trades then you won. 2nd and 3rd for a 4th and a 6mill Surtain. Alot of trades probably too many I don't think you had much of a plan and just winged it every day. T.O will definately not shine like he did in Philly and you lost all of the rest of your recievers. I see you like the Dolphins but you spent to much for them Bowens 2 mill, Surtain almost 6 and you traded away good players/picks for them

sorry no time for spelling mistakes don't take anything I say personally just my thoughts.
 
Steelers:Main thing to turn me off was final trade, you got some great players but that is not a trade a team does when there this close to the Superbowl it is a trade they do when those great players mean little and they need to rebuild. Other then that nothing to major you had a good team to start with Jamal will not be that final piece and you did fill in for Burress well until you then traded Ward away. You did alright in Fa with no real major pick-ups (Edwards Wiggins not bad) and had a great draft but again not what you needed. I would have tried to pick-up those players to take you to the next level ie.Rolle instead you took a step back and set up for the future. If you were a re-building team A+ because you're the farthest thing from rebuilding not nearlly as good
I traded Ward because I needed to fill other holes on an overall aging team and picked up a lot of good talent in return. Infact, i'd say every position besides wr and olb(until Merriman proves himself) has stayed at the same talent level or been upgraded. It's true, my biggest weakness is now wr but I was able to pick up some productive replacments in P.Warrick, R.Curry, and T.Edwards. I also drafted two big play receivers in C.Henry and F.Gibson. Throw in J.Wiggins and B.Williams at te and I have plenty of good receiving options for this run first offense.
As far as a rebuilding team, the only rookie starting is Shawne Merriman. All others are depth for now. I also feature a lot of veteran depth, many which were starters last season. Besides, take a look at almost any teams current roster and you'll see that their rosters are totally different than when we started. Anyhow, i'll try to comment on the rosters when I get some time. Oh yeah, no voting yet...just discussion.
 
Atlanta Falcons
Offense- You're offense got much weaker when you traded Vick. Trent Green is a good qb but he benefited from the nfl's best o-line and a great run game in KC. Your biggest improvement is at wr so at least he'll have some good targets. RB situation is okay but without Vick, your rush production will probably have a significant drop from it's #1 rating last year. O-line looks good but can O.Brown handle LT?

Defense- Your starting DL looks great but your depth is weak. Only one b/u dt who you wrote is the "weakest part of the team" and 2 unproven players at de. Burns and Pop***** do have potential but you really could've used another dt. The rest of your defense looks good.
You did a good job on all of your trades. Losing Vick was BIG but at least you got a lot in return. Also liked your FA signings and draft. Thomas Davis will be a great safety.
Overall, you did a good job.
I'll comment on some other teams later.
 
Finz Fury said:
Atlanta Falcons
Offense- You're offense got much weaker when you traded Vick. Trent Green is a good qb but he benefited from the nfl's best o-line and a great run game in KC. Your biggest improvement is at wr so at least he'll have some good targets. RB situation is okay but without Vick, your rush production will probably have a significant drop from it's #1 rating last year. O-line looks good but can O.Brown handle LT?

Defense- Your starting DL looks great but your depth is weak. Only one b/u dt who you wrote is the "weakest part of the team" and 2 unproven players at de. Burns and Pop***** do have potential but you really could've used another dt. The rest of your defense looks good.
You did a good job on all of your trades. Losing Vick was BIG but at least you got a lot in return. Also liked your FA signings and draft. Thomas Davis will be a great safety.
Overall, you did a good job.
I'll comment on some other teams later.

Atlanta's offence last year was not that good and when I traded Vick I knew I would get some slack but I truly believe Green is as good as Vick is, it's just a the Vick name I will have to disprove and 2 totally different styles. He will run 100 yards less then Vick but he will throw for 200 yards more. My O-line is not as strong as KC but it is still good plus I have way better recievers so I think Green will just as good or better. Im sure Brown can handle it if not one thing I have on O-line is depth with what I believe many capeable starters. I do have more D-line only wrote down one player the rest can be seen in my team thread. Yes my DT is the weakest part of my team but I wrote that to show that it's not that weak just the rest of my team is very solid.
.Thanks for the run down
 
JAREDMANN said:
Jets draft went good 4 good players and some good depth later on, no trades???, I know you made some I just don't know what they were so I cant decide if they are good or bad, 6 mill on Baxter is too much but I think you needed to do it, while Shaun Williams is a sweet pick up. Not much to talk about you never did much which works for some teams but not the Jets who needed to take that next step which a big trade could have done for you, (little better in the WR and secoundary while a little worse in the D-line and line backer) you will definately get some crap for not replacing your kicker. I think the Jets are a huge name or two away from SB and you never made a major step I would have gone after a Moss, Chad Johnson, Moulds, Harrison or T.O and I know you got Porter but that doesn't cut it for me. Mainly for you I think your team is alright but I don't know where some players went or how you got others so I cant really rank you

Well, I feel I improved the QB situation by aquiring Jason Campbell for the future either as starter or as serious tradebait. I feel I dramatically upgraded the runningback situation adding Cadilac Williams, the A-Train and Kay-Jay.

I thought adding Jerry Porter and Matt Jones to my wideout corp was a serious upgrade.

I drafted Justin Tuck and Chris Canty to fill the position of the overpaid, overrated, injury prone, malcontent John Abraham, at DT, unlike the real Jets I brought Jason Ferguson back and added Chris Hovan, so I don't feel the D-line is worse, its actually deeper.

I feel I dramatically improved the secondary both at corner and at safety.

As far as making big trades for big name players, thats highly overrated and something thats not really done that often in the real world.

I feel my team, which was a strong playoff team last year is now significantly better on offense and has imporved the weakest part of the team in the secondary on defense. What more do you want?

overall, I think my Jet team is in much better shape than the real one.
 
Vikings rundown

Offense- I like your offense but I can't help but notice you traded a lot to get Dillon and Mason. Both are great players but entering their 9th seasons and it's unknown how long they can be effective for you. Bringing in Gates was a good move but you gave up your 1st rd pick and last years 1st rd pick in Udeze. You did pick up Caldwell but I don't think he's had more than 20 rec. in a single season. O-line looks great.
Defense- Impressive except Hartwell is costing you a lot. You also traded Henderson for little. Udeze would've also been a better fit at de. He's cheaper, younger, and has a ton of upside. DTs are a scary combo. Good secondary, nice FA pick up in Bashir.
I really like your draft. Unlike many others, you didn't base it solely on the real draft. Shazor, Blackstock, McPherson, Ellison, and Snyder were (imo) very good picks and in some cases, steals. Overall, you have a strong roster. Would've liked to see some more youth in certain spots but you did a good job.
 
BlueFin said:
Well, I feel I improved the QB situation by aquiring Jason Campbell for the future either as starter or as serious tradebait. I feel I dramatically upgraded the runningback situation adding Cadilac Williams, the A-Train and Kay-Jay.

I thought adding Jerry Porter and Matt Jones to my wideout corp was a serious upgrade.

I drafted Justin Tuck and Chris Canty to fill the position of the overpaid, overrated, injury prone, malcontent John Abraham, at DT, unlike the real Jets I brought Jason Ferguson back and added Chris Hovan, so I don't feel the D-line is worse, its actually deeper.

I feel I dramatically improved the secondary both at corner and at safety.

As far as making big trades for big name players, thats highly overrated and something thats not really done that often in the real world.

I feel my team, which was a strong playoff team last year is now significantly better on offense and has imporved the weakest part of the team in the secondary on defense. What more do you want?

overall, I think my Jet team is in much better shape than the real one.

Your team is good but the main thing we have to judge is your trades and draft picks and FA picks. I see the players you have from them but i don't know who you gave up and stuff so i probably wont vote for you unless you write out the trades/picks you made
 
I think with my defense, running game, offensive line, and receiving core, I don't see how Smith can fail. I believe he can play just as well as Roethlisberger did this year with the Steelers. And if he does fail, I have Volek right behind him, who proved this year he can be a good starter. I wasn't planning on picking Smith, but when he dropped to me at #6, I just had to take him.
 
JAREDMANN said:
Your team is good but the main thing we have to judge is your trades and draft picks and FA picks. I see the players you have from them but i don't know who you gave up and stuff so i probably wont vote for you unless you write out the trades/picks you made

I understand the point of being a GM is to iimprove your team from what it was, I don't think being a GM is just about who makes 50 trades and totally changes out their roster.

I think its a little improper to be discussing this prior to the vote as everyone should vote first, then we should discuss why we voted a certain way, not before.

I will be judging everyones teams based upon how good I think they are now versus how good they were, not on how many trades they made.
 
JAREDMANN said:
Your team is good but the main thing we have to judge is your trades and draft picks and FA picks. I see the players you have from them but i don't know who you gave up and stuff so i probably wont vote for you unless you write out the trades/picks you made

Also, I only made one trade and it was for draft picks, my draft picks are color coded as are my free agents, so what exactly do I need to write out for you?
 
BlueFin said:
I understand the point of being a GM is to iimprove your team from what it was, I don't think being a GM is just about who makes 50 trades and totally changes out their roster.

I think its a little improper to be discussing this prior to the vote as everyone should vote first, then we should discuss why we voted a certain way, not before.

I will be judging everyones teams based upon how good I think they are now versus how good they were, not on how many trades they made.



I agree...Good Note...That is how I will be voting
 
BlueFin said:
I understand the point of being a GM is to iimprove your team from what it was, I don't think being a GM is just about who makes 50 trades and totally changes out their roster.

I think its a little improper to be discussing this prior to the vote as everyone should vote first, then we should discuss why we voted a certain way, not before.

I will be judging everyones teams based upon how good I think they are now versus how good they were, not on how many trades they made.


that should be the voting standard....instead of people who traded out thier whole rosters for new ones, or for people who traded thier lives away for one or two stars
 
BlueFin said:
I understand the point of being a GM is to iimprove your team from what it was, I don't think being a GM is just about who makes 50 trades and totally changes out their roster.

I think its a little improper to be discussing this prior to the vote as everyone should vote first, then we should discuss why we voted a certain way, not before.

I will be judging everyones teams based upon how good I think they are now versus how good they were, not on how many trades they made.

I never once said I was judging on how many trades you made I said I was wondering what trades you made as how good the trades/signings/draft picks you make usually decides how good of a GM you are. If you only made one thats cool I was wondering what it was. I don't think it is improper at all to discuss before the draft it gives people a chance to defend what they have done and for me to understand what they were thinking
ie. Titans with drafting Smith
 
Con't my opinions

Texans:Nothing major done which is fine you have a good young team. You tried to get draft picks for some of the more expensive vets on your team which is good. Gallery was a sweet pickup and you totally won that trade. While Patten was also a good pickup to go next to Johnson. Basically you went with the Texans current strategy which is to build through good young players and you did a good job. I could only find one of your draft picks and would be interested in the rest of them if you had any more.

Bills: I don't really know much about what you did. Trading Moulds to me was a fine trade, I would have given up more to re-unite Moulds and Price. I think you could have gotten more for McGahee as well but maybe not. Other then that I can't really critque what you did because you never listed anything but your players, that I could see.

Cleveland: Definatley don't have the a top notch team but you improved your team as much as anyone else. Again I wish I new your draft picks, but whatever. 2 huge signings in FA. Hasselback will bring a good Qb finally to the Browns which they have not had for a long time, while Trottier will be great in their new system. Should have traded Winslow lol but you can't be punished for that. Overall good job for a team that would have been hard to improve.

Rams: Best thing you did was dump Faulk. While the secoundary looks better with Madison there. Again no trades/picks mapped out for me but your D looked to improve a little a few weaknesses while besides a little on the O-line offence will continue to light it up.

might get to the rest later but maybe not, I will definatley be looking over the teams b4 I vote
 
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