Talking Draft

[SF Dolphin Fan]

So here we are again watching a team in our division go for another possible super bowl run. And weren't these Dolphins supposed to be designed to beat the Patriots? Granted, Miami did win the opener in a convincing style over New England, but again stumbled down the stretch. It leaves me with some questions going into the draft. I think the Patriots have to weigh on Miami's mind as the team builds the roster. The Dolphins have to take them down to win the division and transcend the balance of power in the AFC East.

1. Where is the pass rush other than Wake?
Pressuring Tom Brady from everywhere on defense has been proven to be the best way to beat New England. The Giants accomplished that twice in the super bowl. Seattle can do that. I doubt Indy can often enough. Wake will be 32 next season, Jordan may be a bust, Vernon is good. Pass rusher might be higher on Miami's list than people might think. So out to the experts, who are the top pass rushers that should be there at #14? Dupree? Thoughts?

2. What's plan B if Brandon Albert gets hurt again?
This team was looking really good, at times, with Albert at LT. The fact that he hasn't made it through too many seasons due to injury has to be a major concern. That may put a pretty early emphasis on finding a player who can start at LG, but could slide over to LT perhaps even permanently in the near future. Collins, the LT from LSU, comes to mind as someone who could fill that void. Maybe Fisher from Oregon in R2?

3. Who are the corners who could start right away in this draft?
Grimes is awesome, but on the wrong side of 30. Finnegan should be upgraded. I think free agency may be the way to go to find an immediate starter opposite of Grimes, but we all know that will be very costly. If the Dolphins strike out in free agency, who are the corners who can come in and start right away from this draft?

4. Who are the DT's who can start immediately?
I expect the Dolphins to take the free agent route here, but let's say the team decides to sign a free agent corner instead? Who are the DT's from this draft who could make an immediate impact?

5. What does your best player available per round look like?
Would love some opinions here. Seems like Dolphin fans are so used to getting solid picks instead of elite players that some fans believe elite guys are luxury picks. Mine for R1 is Todd Gurley, injured and all. That said, I think Miami could trade down and get him. Wouldn't that be something? Adding an elite back and gaining a draft pick? Hard to say for R2, but it might end up being Ekpre-Olomu the small corner from Oregon.

 

[Tannenbombs]

#1. As of right now, Shane Ray, Vic Beasley, Randy Gregory, and Hau'oli Kikaha are better prospects than Dupree. There are others I haven't evaluated so I can't say those are the only ones. Dupree is a pretty good prospect in his own right, just a pretty good year to need an edge rusher.

#2. If he is there and Miami goes OL I think it will be Brandon Scherff who will be a really good OG but can step in at either tackle spot in a pinch. Don't forget the Philbin Iowa influence. O'Keefe too.

#3. Gonna pass on this one as I haven't done many corner evaluations, IOE is coming off a major injury, and Peters might not be on the draft board. Only other CB I've evaluated is PJ Williams FSU.

#4. Leonard Williams (long gone) and Danny Shelton are two I see as of now. Not huge on Goldman (still hasn't declared). Again, haven't grinded out a bunch of tape at this position yet either.

#5. With Philbin and Hickey in "lame duck" years I really don't think they'll consider two players (even one great and one good) coming off of ACL's.

 

[datruth55]

#1. As of right now, Shane Ray, Vic Beasley, Randy Gregory, and Hau'oli Kikaha are better prospects than Dupree. There are others I haven't evaluated so I can't say those are the only ones. Dupree is a pretty good prospect in his own right, just a pretty good year to need an edge rusher.

#2. If he is there and Miami goes OL I think it will be Brandon Scherff who will be a really good OG but can step in at either tackle spot in a pinch. Don't forget the Philbin Iowa influence. O'Keefe too.

#3. Gonna pass on this one as I haven't done many corner evaluations, IOE is coming off a major injury, and Peters might not be on the draft board. Only other CB I've evaluated is PJ Williams FSU.

#4. Leonard Williams (long gone) and Danny Shelton are two I see as of now. Not huge on Goldman (still hasn't declared). Again, haven't grinded out a bunch of tape at this position yet either.

#5. With Philbin and Hickey in "lame duck" years I really don't think they'll consider two players (even one great and one good) coming off of ACL's.

Shane Ray, Vic Beasley (OLB in a 3-4 most likely) and Randy Gregory will probably be gone before pick #14. We also need more than just a pass rusher since neither one of our DE were very good at setting the edge against the run.

I think I would be woefully disappointed if we don't take Kevin White or DeVante Parker with that #14 pick but if both are gone and we decide to go OL...yet again...he better be freakin all world and better than the clown we took at #15 overall a few years back.

I've looked at a few corners now but I don't see one at #14 for us. At #47 Dolphins will have to decide what's a higher priority...a MLB (like Kendricks), a DT or a CB...there's also an outside chance someone like Todd Gurley drops to that pick and he would be hard to pass up.

I haven't gotten a look at all the DTs yet. Got a look at Shelton who should be there at #14. I need to look at Malcolm Brown from Texas, Carl Davis from Iowa, Ellis McCarthy from UCLA, Tyeler Davison from Fresno State and Joey Mbu. I've seen Chucky Hunter who I like a lot but I don't think he's the space eater we need.

I want Kevin White or DeVante Parker with that 1st pick. Need a red zone threat and a receiver with a large catch radius in the worst way on this team after that bpa...we could trade down in the 2nd and pick up an extra pick and still get a good corner.

 

[DKphin]

I haven't gotten a look at all the DTs yet. Got a look at Shelton who should be there at #14. I need to look at Malcolm Brown from Texas, Carl Davis from Iowa, Ellis McCarthy from UCLA, Tyeler Davison from Fresno State and Joey Mbu. I've seen Chucky Hunter who I like a lot but I don't think he's the space eater we need.

I like Brown alot. He can clog up the middle and is still pretty nimble on his feet.

 

[BlueFin]

Shane Ray, Vic Beasley (OLB in a 3-4 most likely) and Randy Gregory will probably be gone before pick #14. We also need more than just a pass rusher since neither one of our DE were very good at setting the edge against the run.

I think I would be woefully disappointed if we don't take Kevin White or DeVante Parker with that #14 pick but if both are gone and we decide to go OL...yet again...he better be freakin all world and better than the clown we took at #15 overall a few years back.

I've looked at a few corners now but I don't see one at #14 for us. At #47 Dolphins will have to decide what's a higher priority...a MLB (like Kendricks), a DT or a CB...there's also an outside chance someone like Todd Gurley drops to that pick and he would be hard to pass up.

I haven't gotten a look at all the DTs yet. Got a look at Shelton who should be there at #14. I need to look at Malcolm Brown from Texas, Carl Davis from Iowa, Ellis McCarthy from UCLA, Tyeler Davison from Fresno State and Joey Mbu. I've seen Chucky Hunter who I like a lot but I don't think he's the space eater we need.

I want Kevin White or DeVante Parker with that 1st pick. Need a red zone threat and a receiver with a large catch radius in the worst way on this team after that bpa...we could trade down in the 2nd and pick up an extra pick and still get a good corner.

We could also trade down to the late first....get that big receiver in DGB....and pick up another 2nd rounder.

I think we need it with the holes we have.

Perryman is another guy I like for the Mike in round 2.

I believe we can get a Carl Davis DT in round 3 or 4.

Also....one of the Florida State guards on day two as well.

I'd pass on Gurley in round 1....at runningback I like The J-Train(Jay Ajayi) Boise St or Duke Johnson rounds 2-3.

 

[SF Dolphin Fan]

I like Brown alot. He can clog up the middle and is still pretty nimble on his feet.

Is Brown worth a #14 or how far down could Miami trade and land him?

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Shane Ray, Vic Beasley (OLB in a 3-4 most likely) and Randy Gregory will probably be gone before pick #14. We also need more than just a pass rusher since neither one of our DE were very good at setting the edge against the run.

I think I would be woefully disappointed if we don't take Kevin White or DeVante Parker with that #14 pick but if both are gone and we decide to go OL...yet again...he better be freakin all world and better than the clown we took at #15 overall a few years back.

I've looked at a few corners now but I don't see one at #14 for us. At #47 Dolphins will have to decide what's a higher priority...a MLB (like Kendricks), a DT or a CB...there's also an outside chance someone like Todd Gurley drops to that pick and he would be hard to pass up.

I haven't gotten a look at all the DTs yet. Got a look at Shelton who should be there at #14. I need to look at Malcolm Brown from Texas, Carl Davis from Iowa, Ellis McCarthy from UCLA, Tyeler Davison from Fresno State and Joey Mbu. I've seen Chucky Hunter who I like a lot but I don't think he's the space eater we need.

I want Kevin White or DeVante Parker with that 1st pick. Need a red zone threat and a receiver with a large catch radius in the worst way on this team after that bpa...we could trade down in the 2nd and pick up an extra pick and still get a good corner.

White and Parker should be the top two targets (no pun intended) in my opinion as well. Unless, Miami suddenly lands a free agent like Thomas from Denver. That may now be a higher possibility with the Broncos going through major changes on the coaching staff.

Just really want to look at all possibilities in the draft.

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We could also trade down to the late first....get that big receiver in DGB....and pick up another 2nd rounder.

I think we need it with the holes we have.

Perryman is another guy I like for the Mike in round 2.

I believe we can get a Carl Davis DT in round 3 or 4.

Also....one of the Florida State guards on day two as well.

I'd pass on Gurley in round 1....at runningback I like The J-Train(Jay Ajayi) Boise St or Duke Johnson rounds 2-3.

DGB won't likely be on Miami's board IMO. There are a lot of running backs to like in this draft so Gurley would surprise me. Man do I love the way he plays, though.

 

[39wildman]

built up offense line like dallas

 

[datruth55]

built up offense line like dallas

Before Dallas built up that offensive line they got their big play receiver in Dez Bryant and had a solid 3 down running back in DeMarco Murray....we don't have either.

 

[FearTheBeard]

1. Where is the pass rush other than Wake?
Dupree doesn't work for me, I like him but more as a run defender. He has the tools to develop as a pass rusher but he won't make an immediate impact there from what I've seen, he's more of a backend round 1 guy. I'm not looking pass rusher round 1, Vernon can still be counted on and Shelby and Fede are damn solid rotational guys. Jordan in a joker role will help the defense's pass rush. In that range I think Dante Fowler is the main guy that makes sense, but he's no more than a situational pass rusher early.

2. What's plan B if Brandon Albert gets hurt again?
Again, we're not going to invest that highly in a swing tackle. It's another position that has to be left on the back-burner. I'd sign Orlando Franklin, then you have your swing tackle. If we get an impact guard in FA I'm not looking at OL till earliest the 3rd round, more likely 4th. Haven't looked at OL yet, but silver vouches for Landon Turner at guard. I think we have our backup LT in James, I think he makes the most sense since it's easier to find a guy who can step in at RT.

3. Who are the corners who could start right away in this draft?
From the sounds of it there aren't many immediate starters at CB in the draft. I think you have to look at FA, and it won't be hard to find an upgrade at Finnegan's current cap hit. Better to target a guy in the middle rounds or late on day 2, but too early for me to know.

4. Who are the DT's who can start immediately?
This is definitely a position I'd fix in FA because I think there's some good pieces available. I've only looked at first rounders, but I really like Eddie Goldman, Malcom Brown and Danny Shelton. Danny Shelton is more of a 3-4 guy, but would help solve our run defense. All three I think have the potential to make an immediate impact, but that's not where I'd invest our 1st rounder.

5. What does your best player available per round look like?
This team isn't taking any PUP guys or redshirt guys...we have to get past it. Maybe early day 3, but that's it. Philbin's trying to save his job, he's not taking injured guys. Good teams take injured guys because they have depth, we don't have that luxury. BPA right now is probably one of the WR's like Parker, White or DGB. After that probably one of the DT's, or Landon Collins.

Round 2 looking at guys like Eric Kendricks, Paul Dawson if he shoots up boards a bit, DGB again, Maxx Williams. But that's just who i've looked at.

 

[Tannenbombs]

I think there is a large gap between Kevin White and DeVante Parker. Ideally I would like to see:

Kevin White #14
Maxx Williams #46
Mike Davis #78

I am as big of a Melvin Gordon fan as there is but I think Mike Davis is going to be a good starting RB and there isn't going to be a WR the caliber of White at 46 or 78.. This would give Tannehill very good weapons. And 3 guys even Philbin couldn't bench as rookies.

 

[FearTheBeard]

I think there is a large gap between Kevin White and DeVante Parker. Ideally I would like to see:

Kevin White #14
Maxx Williams #46
Mike Davis #78

I am as big of a Melvin Gordon fan as there is but I think Mike Davis is going to be a good starting RB and there isn't going to be a WR the caliber of White at 46 or 78.. This would give Tannehill very good weapons. And 3 guys even Philbin couldn't bench as rookies.

Agreed on everything except White and Parker. Mike Davis is exactly the sort of back this offense needs. There's a few other that would fit as well but have to look at them more since I'd be happy to wait till round 4 and later to find another guy.

 

[trojanma]

I think there is a large gap between Kevin White and DeVante Parker. Ideally I would like to see:

Kevin White #14
Maxx Williams #46
Mike Davis #78

I am as big of a Melvin Gordon fan as there is but I think Mike Davis is going to be a good starting RB and there isn't going to be a WR the caliber of White at 46 or 78.. This would give Tannehill very good weapons. And 3 guys even Philbin couldn't bench as rookies.

This would be a dream draft.

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[Tannenbombs]

Agreed on everything except White and Parker. Mike Davis is exactly the sort of back this offense needs. There's a few other that would fit as well but have to look at them more since I'd be happy to wait till round 4 and later to find another guy.

QB- Tannehill
RB- Davis/Miller
WR1- White
WR2- Wallace
WR3- Landry
TE- Maxx/Sims
LT-Albert
LG- ? Billy Turner?
C- Mike Pouncey
RG-? Billy Turner?
RT- JaWuan James

That could be a very good unit. I'm just not sure about the guard position. I really don't believe in dabbling in free agency. But with Tannenbaums aggressiveness in FA, and Philbin and Hickey in "win now" mode, I wouldn't be shocked if Miami is very active in free agency. I'm just a draft and develop guy all the way.......

 

[DKphin]

Is Brown worth a #14 or how far down could Miami trade and land him?

I think that Leonard Williams and Danny Shelton are the top 2 DTs in this draft with Goldman and Brown right behind them. Is he worth the #14 pick? You can probably get him at the bottom of the 1st, but you would have to find a trade partner to get the correct value for him.

 

[xXwarXx]

I think there is a large gap between Kevin White and DeVante Parker. Ideally I would like to see:

Kevin White #14
Maxx Williams #46
Mike Davis #78

I am as big of a Melvin Gordon fan as there is but I think Mike Davis is going to be a good starting RB and there isn't going to be a WR the caliber of White at 46 or 78.. This would give Tannehill very good weapons. And 3 guys even Philbin couldn't bench as rookies.

It's hard to imagine Davis not being a pretty damn good player in this league. I get why people want to pass Gordon, I'm not even completely opposed to it.

But the great thing about A RB with Gordons ability, is you can go into a game and get completely out coached, game plan wrong, screw up the X and O's, and you can just hand Gordon the ball and he can win for you.

Our best win this season was probably vs the pats week 1. We didn't really out play them or out game plan them, and honestly I don't even think Lazor called a great game, Moreno just took it home. Game becomes a lot easier when you have a RB that can do that.

And I think that's something we desperately need.