"Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt." ― Maurice Switzer
Tannehill VS Tua Year 1
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Great post.
What isn't so popular to say is that if you substitute Tua's name for Tannehill's people's heads explode. The truth is that Tua on his own cannot carry a team deep into the playoffs (with a playoff spot on the line he choked big time last year) but if we build Tua a supporting cast and play to his strengths he will be 'pretty freaking good' and I'll be quite happy with that.
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How many game winning drives did Tannehill lead last year?
No sack? Now I know you are making **** up.
"The trouble with our anti-Tannehill friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so."
I would agree the player we saw last year cannot do that.
To say that is his "written in stone" future is not only premature, but indicative of one who is not objective.
The guy has played 9 games. That alone is enough for any non biased observer to reserve judgement. When you factor in the other multiple circumstances, it should be apparent that definitive conclusions can not be made.
I don't recall ever saying it was "written in stone" in fact I never even suggested that or made any 'definitive conclusions', it's far too early to tell.
My own opinion is that Tua is not likely to become Elite like an Aaron Rodgers, Dan Marino, Tom Brady, Peyton Manning type. I do think he will be a great player for us though and we could win championships with him. Maybe Tua exceeds my expectations and maybe he doesn't, as long as we're a perennial playoff team with him tossing the ball I don't really care one way or the other...
You said:
How else would someone take that statement?
I would submit that no QB can do that "on his own".
I understand the use of cliches and rhetoric, but words do have actual defined meanings.
You did add context after the fact, so maybe you didn't mean exactly what you wrote in the first post.
Context matters, instead of just selectively taking a snippet, quote the whole sentence:
When words like "but if" are used that hardly sounds definitive or like the statement suggests something is written in stone
So you are saying Tua isn't great, but can succeed under the right circumstances.
I get what you said. I'm saying it's too early to say for sure that Tua can't be great, whichbyou acknowledge in a later post.
I didn't truncate the sentence to pick and choose. I did it because I don't see the second part as relevant to my point.
In any case, you have adequately clarified the statement, and it would seem we agree for the most part.
Actually I said Tua can be 'pretty freaking good', I just don't think he'll be as elite as the examples I posted. Words matter right?
Well here's some of your own advice that you can practice:
"Better to remain silent
I didn't truncate your previous quote to pick and choose, I did it because I don't see the second part as relevant to my point.
See what I did there? ; )
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We got exactly what I said they day we drafted him. We got a WR drafted to be a QB that needed about 5 more years of development. It took him 8. That's what was available out of him and that's what we rolled with. I don't disrespect Thill, just never wanted to draft him, never saw anything out of him game after game, never saw a leader, never saw a QB. That was his time in Miami. He is a different player in Tennessee and great for him. Many players are able to change thier career with changing teams. But he would never be what he is now if he stayed. Regardless of who people want to blame for Thills lack of success, he set our franchise back 10 years. That's the foundation of my distaste for him. But not disrespect...at least on my part. Other posters....
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But he wasn't. You don't know what happened at A&M?
No HE didn't. THEY did. Unless of course, Philbin, Lazor, Gase, et al have crushed it on other teams with other QBs.......
Not to mention ridiculous number of crappy offensive linemen they cycled through this place. How many were being held back by Tannehill? How many succeeded elsewhere after leaving the Dolphins. I'll hang up and listen.
In the end, in your desperate desire to be correct about not wanting the team to draft Tannehill, you need to cling to an untenable position. Anybody paying attention saw glimpses in 2014, in his THIRD season and should have been fully convinced in 2016.
The total irony is that your distaste SHOULD be directed at the people who drafted him and failed to support him with decent coaching and players.
When you've blamed the QB for years and he goes to a MEDIOCRE offense and instantly converts it into a top 2 or 3 offense and the team he left stays bad....... seriously..... not hard to figure out.
Your suppositions built on a foundational inaccuracy teeter as a result. Tannehill was a 3 star Texas HS QB and was drafted as such. While waiting his time, as a team player he agreed to line up as a WR where he excelled. Having that perspective only made him more valuable under center. The Fins starting with that ridiculous timer and the parade of clowns did him dirty. Ryan's main issue was that he was too nice about the $hit sandwiches force-fed him!
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In the end...I was correct