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i think its great that the tannehill fanclub will tell anyone that will listen, if we just surround ryan with 10 probowlers then we'll see what he can really be. but if that were the case, what we'd see is we need a better quarterback.
 
Just another offseason fluff piece. Been seeing them for 7 years now around Tannehill and bears little fruit of actual on the field performance. Every year same crap. Tannehill has really improved as a leader, Tannehill has really mastered the offense from the year before, Tannehill is on the verge of elevating his game to playoff QBs, blah, blah, blah. Ryan Tannehill = Mr. Offseason

Is Hyde seriously contending that Ross and Gase are in the same stratosphere as DeBartolo Jr and Walsh? Miami is no where near the organization the 49ers were in the 80s and 90s. Anyone who doesn't think Montana and Young didn't make the players on the 49ers better is simply a fool. And of course Walsh made the statement the systems make the QB b/c it was his system. Look at Montana at ND and as a Chief along with Young at BYU and can see they weren't just system QBs.

What players has Tannehill elevated at this point?

LOL, and then to refer to the Rams game as Tannehill as proof of being a franchise QB. Absolutely, Tannehill was excellent the last two drives for sure. And he was absolutely horrid for over 3 quarters. In fact, the Rams dropped two of the easiest interceptions defensive players will ever get which would have made the game out of reach. I don't think leading a team to 14 points qualifies a player as a franchise QB. There's good reason limited offensive highlights were shown in the video below until the final two drives. Take a look at the back-to-back plays beginning at the 2:19 mark as confirmation for those who think Tannehill is lacking when it comes to making decisions (decided to take a loss on 2nd down rather than throw the ball away...well, at least his QB rating didn't suffer) and what good is athleticism if he's not capable of using it? Was that one or two fingers by Quinn as he was being pushed behind Tannehill that brought him down for the sack on the second play?



And until Tannehill can actually close out a season and get Miami into the playoffs (twice Miami collapsed under his leadership to close the season, 2013 & 2014) he doesn't belong in the same conversation as being comparable to Ryan and Smith.

Miami has spent most of their resources from 2011-2016 on the offense (draft, trades, free agency) and little payoff . The past two years Miami has been essentially forced to draft defense because they ignored it so long the cupboard was empty on that side of the ball.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/mia/draft.htm

Every starter and just about every backup in the NFL can win if a team has all the pieces around them.

Shame on Miami's front office for not even trying, at a minimum, to bring in competition at QB since 2012 when they spent the #8 pick in the draft on the 56th ranked college QB, who was a 5th year senior with perhaps the best OL in the country along with NFL level WRs and was only able to lead his preseason #8 ranked team to a 7-6 record and out of the top 25.

Matt Moore and Tannehill have essentially been the same quality of QB. And I am NOT saying Moore is a legitimate starter! If Miami's goal is to build up the offensive players around the QB because the QB can't elevate the level of play of the players around him why not go with the cheaper QB so they can spend that money on bringing in better talent which Miami is clearly in need of.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/T/TannRy00.htm
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/M/MoorMa01.htm

Even the reference about Foles is off. Both Foles and Tannehill played in similar systems as Lazor was Foles QB coach at Philly in 2013 when Foles put up the 3rd best single season QB rating of all-time at 119.2.

My view has always been that if a team does not have a top 10 QB then that team has QB problems and should be continually bringing in competition to improve that position. Miami clearly has a QB problem and has had one since Marino retired.

If Hyde was a serious journalist he would be writing an article as to why Gase is satisfied with having a QB that is not able to lift up the level of play of the players around him.
 
Why does it seem like when talking about Tannehill every coach sounds like they're trying to convince themselves he's good? Searching and searching for reasons -- yet what do we see?

To date in the pros - he's had 3 head coaches (2 fired), 5 offensive coordinators (4 demoted or fired), and 3 general managers (2 fired). That's an impressive track record.
 
Complaining that he’s not getting help not that he’s not getting the job done. Different complaining.

Still complaining. Although I don't believe that Tannehill had much help during his first 4 years in the league. However that is argument that has been going back and forth in every Tannehill related thread.
 
Why does it seem like when talking about Tannehill every coach sounds like they're trying to convince themselves he's good? Searching and searching for reasons -- yet what do we see?

To date in the pros - he's had 3 head coaches (2 fired), 5 offensive coordinators (4 demoted or fired), and 3 general managers (2 fired). That's an impressive track record.


Well to be fair most of those coaches have still sucked since leaving the Dolphins .So yeah, maybe they are actually bad coaches.
 
Tannehill showed he was a tough SOB in the 4 1/2 yrs before his injury. I think he comes back to the level he was at in '16.
 
I agree. Tannehill has never had a complete offense. This version, at least on paper, is close to that. An offensive line that should be at least a bit above average, an emerging star in Drake at running back, competent wide receivers and perhaps a better than average tight end in second rounder Gesicki.

Definitely the most talent Tannehill has had to work with.
 
I feel there is a lot to be optimistic about. Sure I have concerns mostly with the run defense, but I like the "potential" of the talent on offense.

QB 2018 > 2017 -- Tannehill is a significant upgrade over Cutler.
OL 2018 > 2017 --- Sitton and Kilgore are nice additions and Tunsil should improve.
RB 2018 > 2017 --- Drake could be an emerging superstar. Gore great pickup.
Wr 2018 = 2017 --- Some nice additions, but Landry is a loss. Grant and Parker could lift this unit.
TE 2018 > 2017 --- Absolutely love the Gesicki pick. Pairing him with Smythe should be nice.
 
Just another offseason fluff piece. Been seeing them for 7 years now around Tannehill and bears little fruit of actual on the field performance. Every year same crap. Tannehill has really improved as a leader, Tannehill has really mastered the offense from the year before, Tannehill is on the verge of elevating his game to playoff QBs, blah, blah, blah. Ryan Tannehill = Mr. Offseason

Is Hyde seriously contending that Ross and Gase are in the same stratosphere as DeBartolo Jr and Walsh? Miami is no where near the organization the 49ers were in the 80s and 90s. Anyone who doesn't think Montana and Young didn't make the players on the 49ers better is simply a fool. And of course Walsh made the statement the systems make the QB b/c it was his system. Look at Montana at ND and as a Chief along with Young at BYU and can see they weren't just system QBs.

What players has Tannehill elevated at this point?

LOL, and then to refer to the Rams game as Tannehill as proof of being a franchise QB. Absolutely, Tannehill was excellent the last two drives for sure. And he was absolutely horrid for over 3 quarters. In fact, the Rams dropped two of the easiest interceptions defensive players will ever get which would have made the game out of reach. I don't think leading a team to 14 points qualifies a player as a franchise QB. There's good reason limited offensive highlights were shown in the video below until the final two drives. Take a look at the back-to-back plays beginning at the 2:19 mark as confirmation for those who think Tannehill is lacking when it comes to making decisions (decided to take a loss on 2nd down rather than throw the ball away...well, at least his QB rating didn't suffer) and what good is athleticism if he's not capable of using it? Was that one or two fingers by Quinn as he was being pushed behind Tannehill that brought him down for the sack on the second play?



And until Tannehill can actually close out a season and get Miami into the playoffs (twice Miami collapsed under his leadership to close the season, 2013 & 2014) he doesn't belong in the same conversation as being comparable to Ryan and Smith.

Miami has spent most of their resources from 2011-2016 on the offense (draft, trades, free agency) and little payoff . The past two years Miami has been essentially forced to draft defense because they ignored it so long the cupboard was empty on that side of the ball.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/mia/draft.htm

Every starter and just about every backup in the NFL can win if a team has all the pieces around them.

Shame on Miami's front office for not even trying, at a minimum, to bring in competition at QB since 2012 when they spent the #8 pick in the draft on the 56th ranked college QB, who was a 5th year senior with perhaps the best OL in the country along with NFL level WRs and was only able to lead his preseason #8 ranked team to a 7-6 record and out of the top 25.

Matt Moore and Tannehill have essentially been the same quality of QB. And I am NOT saying Moore is a legitimate starter! If Miami's goal is to build up the offensive players around the QB because the QB can't elevate the level of play of the players around him why not go with the cheaper QB so they can spend that money on bringing in better talent which Miami is clearly in need of.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/T/TannRy00.htm
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/M/MoorMa01.htm

Even the reference about Foles is off. Both Foles and Tannehill played in similar systems as Lazor was Foles QB coach at Philly in 2013 when Foles put up the 3rd best single season QB rating of all-time at 119.2.

My view has always been that if a team does not have a top 10 QB then that team has QB problems and should be continually bringing in competition to improve that position. Miami clearly has a QB problem and has had one since Marino retired.

If Hyde was a serious journalist he would be writing an article as to why Gase is satisfied with having a QB that is not able to lift up the level of play of the players around him.


Way too much fail in that post.
 
Just another offseason fluff piece. Been seeing them for 7 years now around Tannehill and bears little fruit of actual on the field performance. Every year same crap. Tannehill has really improved as a leader, Tannehill has really mastered the offense from the year before, Tannehill is on the verge of elevating his game to playoff QBs, blah, blah, blah. Ryan Tannehill = Mr. Offseason

Is Hyde seriously contending that Ross and Gase are in the same stratosphere as DeBartolo Jr and Walsh? Miami is no where near the organization the 49ers were in the 80s and 90s. Anyone who doesn't think Montana and Young didn't make the players on the 49ers better is simply a fool. And of course Walsh made the statement the systems make the QB b/c it was his system. Look at Montana at ND and as a Chief along with Young at BYU and can see they weren't just system QBs.

What players has Tannehill elevated at this point?

LOL, and then to refer to the Rams game as Tannehill as proof of being a franchise QB. Absolutely, Tannehill was excellent the last two drives for sure. And he was absolutely horrid for over 3 quarters. In fact, the Rams dropped two of the easiest interceptions defensive players will ever get which would have made the game out of reach. I don't think leading a team to 14 points qualifies a player as a franchise QB. There's good reason limited offensive highlights were shown in the video below until the final two drives. Take a look at the back-to-back plays beginning at the 2:19 mark as confirmation for those who think Tannehill is lacking when it comes to making decisions (decided to take a loss on 2nd down rather than throw the ball away...well, at least his QB rating didn't suffer) and what good is athleticism if he's not capable of using it? Was that one or two fingers by Quinn as he was being pushed behind Tannehill that brought him down for the sack on the second play?



And until Tannehill can actually close out a season and get Miami into the playoffs (twice Miami collapsed under his leadership to close the season, 2013 & 2014) he doesn't belong in the same conversation as being comparable to Ryan and Smith.

Miami has spent most of their resources from 2011-2016 on the offense (draft, trades, free agency) and little payoff . The past two years Miami has been essentially forced to draft defense because they ignored it so long the cupboard was empty on that side of the ball.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/mia/draft.htm

Every starter and just about every backup in the NFL can win if a team has all the pieces around them.

Shame on Miami's front office for not even trying, at a minimum, to bring in competition at QB since 2012 when they spent the #8 pick in the draft on the 56th ranked college QB, who was a 5th year senior with perhaps the best OL in the country along with NFL level WRs and was only able to lead his preseason #8 ranked team to a 7-6 record and out of the top 25.

Matt Moore and Tannehill have essentially been the same quality of QB. And I am NOT saying Moore is a legitimate starter! If Miami's goal is to build up the offensive players around the QB because the QB can't elevate the level of play of the players around him why not go with the cheaper QB so they can spend that money on bringing in better talent which Miami is clearly in need of.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/T/TannRy00.htm
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/M/MoorMa01.htm

Even the reference about Foles is off. Both Foles and Tannehill played in similar systems as Lazor was Foles QB coach at Philly in 2013 when Foles put up the 3rd best single season QB rating of all-time at 119.2.

My view has always been that if a team does not have a top 10 QB then that team has QB problems and should be continually bringing in competition to improve that position. Miami clearly has a QB problem and has had one since Marino retired.

If Hyde was a serious journalist he would be writing an article as to why Gase is satisfied with having a QB that is not able to lift up the level of play of the players around him.


And THIS.

THIS right here?

This is why I don't order assholes with my whiskey.
 
Why does it seem like when talking about Tannehill every coach sounds like they're trying to convince themselves he's good? Searching and searching for reasons -- yet what do we see?

To date in the pros - he's had 3 head coaches (2 fired), 5 offensive coordinators (4 demoted or fired), and 3 general managers (2 fired). That's an impressive track record.

I don't understand blaming the qb for the failure of the front office. Any of them having success elsewhere? Nope. And it's two head coaches, stretching the truth is petty.
 
Just another offseason fluff piece. Been seeing them for 7 years now around Tannehill and bears little fruit of actual on the field performance. Every year same crap. Tannehill has really improved as a leader, Tannehill has really mastered the offense from the year before, Tannehill is on the verge of elevating his game to playoff QBs, blah, blah, blah. Ryan Tannehill = Mr. Offseason

Is Hyde seriously contending that Ross and Gase are in the same stratosphere as DeBartolo Jr and Walsh? Miami is no where near the organization the 49ers were in the 80s and 90s. Anyone who doesn't think Montana and Young didn't make the players on the 49ers better is simply a fool. And of course Walsh made the statement the systems make the QB b/c it was his system. Look at Montana at ND and as a Chief along with Young at BYU and can see they weren't just system QBs.

What players has Tannehill elevated at this point?

LOL, and then to refer to the Rams game as Tannehill as proof of being a franchise QB. Absolutely, Tannehill was excellent the last two drives for sure. And he was absolutely horrid for over 3 quarters. In fact, the Rams dropped two of the easiest interceptions defensive players will ever get which would have made the game out of reach. I don't think leading a team to 14 points qualifies a player as a franchise QB. There's good reason limited offensive highlights were shown in the video below until the final two drives. Take a look at the back-to-back plays beginning at the 2:19 mark as confirmation for those who think Tannehill is lacking when it comes to making decisions (decided to take a loss on 2nd down rather than throw the ball away...well, at least his QB rating didn't suffer) and what good is athleticism if he's not capable of using it? Was that one or two fingers by Quinn as he was being pushed behind Tannehill that brought him down for the sack on the second play?





And until Tannehill can actually close out a season and get Miami into the playoffs (twice Miami collapsed under his leadership to close the season, 2013 & 2014) he doesn't belong in the same conversation as being comparable to Ryan and Smith.

Miami has spent most of their resources from 2011-2016 on the offense (draft, trades, free agency) and little payoff . The past two years Miami has been essentially forced to draft defense because they ignored it so long the cupboard was empty on that side of the ball.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/mia/draft.htm

Every starter and just about every backup in the NFL can win if a team has all the pieces around them.

Shame on Miami's front office for not even trying, at a minimum, to bring in competition at QB since 2012 when they spent the #8 pick in the draft on the 56th ranked college QB, who was a 5th year senior with perhaps the best OL in the country along with NFL level WRs and was only able to lead his preseason #8 ranked team to a 7-6 record and out of the top 25.

Matt Moore and Tannehill have essentially been the same quality of QB. And I am NOT saying Moore is a legitimate starter! If Miami's goal is to build up the offensive players around the QB because the QB can't elevate the level of play of the players around him why not go with the cheaper QB so they can spend that money on bringing in better talent which Miami is clearly in need of.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/T/TannRy00.htm
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/M/MoorMa01.htm

Even the reference about Foles is off. Both Foles and Tannehill played in similar systems as Lazor was Foles QB coach at Philly in 2013 when Foles put up the 3rd best single season QB rating of all-time at 119.2.

My view has always been that if a team does not have a top 10 QB then that team has QB problems and should be continually bringing in competition to improve that position. Miami clearly has a QB problem and has had one since Marino retired.

If Hyde was a serious journalist he would be writing an article as to why Gase is satisfied with having a QB that is not able to lift up the level of play of the players around him.


Nicely shoveled but still a load of horse manure!

This has all the unsettling markings of an impassioned rambling Tannehill Derangement Syndrome manifesto! I am thinking that perhaps the Tannehills should take out a restraining order against this clearly overly wound-up poster.

All rhetoric aside, the die is firmly cast! As much as it pains the 8 percent or so, Tannehill is firmly embedded under center. All the OCD grade whining of arm chair general managers on a dolphins fan site is not going to change that! It's time to pull up the big boy pants and suck it up by either rooting for Tannehill and the team to succeed as true fans would do or just moving on if not for anything other than their own mental health.
 
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