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Texan's Bill O'brien Fired: Dolphins' 1st, 2nd Pics Looking Yet More Delectable

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Hey, didn't see that this was specifically reported anywhere on FH. If I'm wrong, feel free to merge, move or delete. At the time I posted, didn't know it was two day old news lol

 
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Are there any players out there that you'd be willing to trade those picks for? How about that McLaurin kid on the Redskins? They'd love another late 1st round pick, no? Do any bad teams have a good linebacker we could get?
Honestly, I would much rather have a quality NFL player 28 yrs old or younger than a draft pick. Trash teams that aren't going anywhere, especially if their cap situation sucks, would rather have the draft pick than a player, IMO. Now is a great time to take advantage of another team's bad fortune. No?
 
On a side note (and not for us), I think some team is going to get a steal on Darnold at some point. If the Jets cut bait on him to draft Lawrence or Fields and trade Darnold away, I think that could wind up working Very well for some team. Honestly, I think the 49ers would be smart to see if they could improve on Jimmy G. Jimmy G is a 'game manager' and showed that he couldn't make the big plays when they needed to get made.
 
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ChitownPhins28 said:
Are there any players out there that you'd be willing to trade those picks for? How about that McLaurin kid on the Redskins? They'd love another late 1st round pick, no? Do any bad teams have a good linebacker we could get?
Honestly, I would much rather have a quality NFL player 28 yrs old or younger than a draft pick. Trash teams that aren't going anywhere, especially if their cap situation sucks, would rather have the draft pick than a player, IMO. Now is a great time to take advantage of another team's bad fortune. No?
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This makes sense, especially to get a proven player at a position of need, but I wouldn't want them to trade away ALL of their early picks! However, there is a big problem with this scenario:

During the past decade or so, Miami has traded for numerous players and spent a lot of money on Free Agents, with nearly all of those deals turning into failure. Why did these transactions fail? This is the question that MUST be answered. (Of course, there's always the possibility that once a "me-first" player gets a big contract he no longer gives 100%.) Did Miami think that a player was much better than he actually was because the team's talent evaluators aren't very good? Did Miami trade for or sign a player who was a terrible fit for their offense or defense? Or, was Miami's coaching staff so inflexible, clueless, and inept, that they couldn't or wouldn't adapt their offense or defense to take advantage of the talents of a very good player? Each player's situation is different, so I'm sure that each of these reason have been true over the years.

In fact, the exact same things are true when drafting players out of college. Whether that draft pick is a success or a failure is based on the ability of the Front Office and Coaching Staff to do their jobs competently. Previous regimes have been complete failures at this; hopefully the current regime will be better!
 
ChitownPhins28 said:
Are there any players out there that you'd be willing to trade those picks for? How about that McLaurin kid on the Redskins? They'd love another late 1st round pick, no? Do any bad teams have a good linebacker we could get?
Honestly, I would much rather have a quality NFL player 28 yrs old or younger than a draft pick. Trash teams that aren't going anywhere, especially if their cap situation sucks, would rather have the draft pick than a player, IMO. Now is a great time to take advantage of another team's bad fortune. No?
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I think you also have to take cap management into consideration.

Yes, a proven vet will probably step in, and be better than a rook day one, but if you draft a guy, you are paying peanuts, as compared to a good FA.

The secret is to draft wisely, and get guys with high floors as well as ceilings.

If you can do that consistently for a few years, you avoid the cap hell that inevitably leads to full tear downs, or perpetual mediocrity.
 
O'Brien had lost the team. Particularly after getting into it with Watt.

It would have been to Miami's advantage if he finished the season coaching them. The team is more likely to bond as a result of letting him go even if the team were to hire Donald Duck as HC.
 
ChitownPhins28 said:
Are there any players out there that you'd be willing to trade those picks for? How about that McLaurin kid on the Redskins? They'd love another late 1st round pick, no? Do any bad teams have a good linebacker we could get?
Honestly, I would much rather have a quality NFL player 28 yrs old or younger than a draft pick. Trash teams that aren't going anywhere, especially if their cap situation sucks, would rather have the draft pick than a player, IMO. Now is a great time to take advantage of another team's bad fortune. No?
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Who are the Redskins?
 
Not all that confident that it will be a top 5 pick honestly, because the Texans have talent and I'm expecting a bounce-back effect with a new coach. But, right now ... I'm crossing my fingers that they implode! It sure would be great if we got a top 5 pick out of their #1, and regardless of where they finish the 2nd rounder will be an excellent pick.

But please .... let's not jinx it.
 
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Not all that confident that it will be a top 5 pick honestly, because the Texans have talent and I'm expecting a bounce-back effect with a new coach. But, right now ... I'm crossing my fingers that they implode! It sure would be great if we got a top 5 pick out of their #1, and regardless of where they finish the 2nd rounder will be an excellent pick.

But please .... let's not jinx it.
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Yeah, IDK about top 5. There are several horrid teams this year.

Top 10, though, is likely. They aren't close to being the team they were the past few years, even with a good QB.
 
ChitownPhins28 said:
Are there any players out there that you'd be willing to trade those picks for? How about that McLaurin kid on the Redskins? They'd love another late 1st round pick, no? Do any bad teams have a good linebacker we could get?
Honestly, I would much rather have a quality NFL player 28 yrs old or younger than a draft pick. Trash teams that aren't going anywhere, especially if their cap situation sucks, would rather have the draft pick than a player, IMO. Now is a great time to take advantage of another team's bad fortune. No?
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The first round picks are untouchable. No player worth those kind of picks will be put on the trade block. Continue to be the winner in trades as we’ve been recently.

If anything I would be looking to add more future high picks with my current picks.

Trading for a younger vet on a rookie contract also comes with the implication said player is about to get paid, like Tunsil did and Minkah Fitzpatrick will likely do next year. There is extra leverage on the players side when a new team gives up a lot to get a veteran.

I’d buy low on Saquan Barkley if I could.
 
Actually, you wanted O'Brien to stay if you want the highest pick possible. If they had let him remain, the players would have folded and it would been an easy path to #1 or #2 overall.

Firing O'Brien actually is NOT good news for us. This changes the whole team dynamic... and the Texans have talent.

Now you bring in Romeo and the team will galvanize around him. Now they are playing for their jobs and keeping the team together. They will want to prove that O'Brien was the problem.

This will unify the team to play at their highest level. Playoffs? Not likely. But 6-8 wins, now possible.

This was the worst thing that could have happened to our "Houston" picks.
 
The Ghost said:
The first round picks are untouchable. No player worth those kind of picks will be put on the trade block. Continue to be the winner in trades as we’ve been recently.

If anything I would be looking to add more future high picks with my current picks.

Trading for a younger vet on a rookie contract also comes with the implication said player is about to get paid, like Tunsil did and Minkah Fitzpatrick will likely do next year. There is extra leverage on the players side when a new team gives up a lot to get a veteran.

I’d buy low on Saquan Barkley if I could.
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Agree with everything, except Barkley.

I like him, but.......

There are 2 possible outcomes. He returns to form, and demands to be overpaid, or he doesn't return to form, and whatever we gave up is wasted.

Just my 2 cents.
 
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