He was also there for the Brock Bowers pick. Not to mention he was a scout, and higher employee, in Denver when they had some really good picks.
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He was also there for the Brock Bowers pick. Not to mention he was a scout, and higher employee, in Denver when they had some really good picks.
agree. shows champ not ready for prime time. it is just a silly thing to say. not football relevant. i want a hardass gm that wouldnt even lean in this direction
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It should be, if the last GM can work here for over 20 years and win nothing. A single playoff win should secure the next GM a lifetime contract under the Ross family.
Yes, provided that the coin flip story was actually fabricated.
If it was true, that’s a bad indictment on evaluating talent staring you right in the face.
Which Denver picks are you attaching to Champ?
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Here we agree completely
First of all, those local TV deals are negotiated years in advance.
Second of all, many of those night, primetime, Thursday, etc games are not carried by local stations anymore. Many are either ESPN or streaming only.
The NFL TV money is split equally.
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So you did a thread last week how you didn’t like Champ. So of course you have to do another one. So it’s probably safe to say we can expect 1 post a week from you on this. Then another post on Jonah and last but not least another post how you don’t think Tua is it.All three of these articles out today:
Miami Dolphins interim GM Champ Kelly dives into 'opportunity' to build winner | Habib
Talking from Madrid, Dolphins interim GM Champ Kelly outlines his vision for success, both on a team and personal level.www.palmbeachpost.com
Dolphins interim GM Champ Kelly: How he views role, and insight on recent moves
Miami Dolphins interim general manager Champ Kelly shared views on the opportunity in front of him, reveals how team operated at trade deadline.www.sun-sentinel.com
I do not believe in coincidences. I think the reporters are spoon fed these straight from the Miami Dolphins. It implies they have decided on Champ as the next GM, and the theoretical search is fake, it is just PR optics. They will tell us they scoured the known universe, and decided Champ was the best man for the job. Reality probably is nobody good wants to come here, and they already know it, because Ross just wants to run the place the same way with bandaids, and saddle the next GM with McDaniel as the head coach.
The articles are paywalled, so you might not be able to read them. But I can summarize. They don't really highlight Champ's bonafides to be the next GM, because they don't really exist. How can they, when the guy was previously at two organizations (Raiders, Bears) that imploded and drafted terribly, and did everything else wrong as well, and you also have no idea exactly what he did and what he was responsible for? The articles seem to focus more on his life story, which is nice and inspirational, and the fact that Champ seems to be a good guy too. Great, but this is the NFL, not the Red Cross. Here is an example of the types of things the articles focus on:
"Kelly’s father was a drug dealer and mother a drug addict. He was primarily raised by his grandmother, Mary Sorey, in the small northern Florida town of Campbellton, which has a population of fewer than 500 people."
Ladies and gentleman, welcome Champ as the new GM, and welcome McDaniel back as your head coach.
Wash, rinse, repeat. Same owner, same decisions. Why would anybody be surprised?
PS Dolphins PR is not so smart - when you push stuff on reporters such that the articles all come out on the same day, well it is kind of obvious. They do this crap all the time too if you pay attention. We will get hit with articles about a certain player or a certain something, by all of the major local publications at the same time, for no real apparent catalyst. In this case, the team is about to play a game in Madrid, Grier was fired two weeks ago, and all of the sudden we get the Champ media blitz. Yes, so obvious, and so JV!
It does get monotonous.So you did a thread last week how you didn’t like Champ. So of course you have to do another one. So it’s probably safe to say we can expect 1 post a week from you on this. Then another post on Jonah and last but not least another post how you don’t think Tua is it.
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There’s a lot of slam dunk picks that these so called pros miss evaluate
So getting a GM that takes the slam dunk is a start lol
Imo Tyler Warren and Jihad Campbell were slam dunk picks and we passed on both
That is the Howie Roseman school of drafting. Take the slam dunk. He comments how he often just lets people in front of him make silly picks, and outsmart themselves, then he just takes the simple and obvious pick that falls to him. The perfect example was what we did in the Waddle-a-Thon. Too clever by half, and passed on all-pros in the process. Just immature thinking. You also don't need to draft a run oriented DT at #13, nor trade up for guards in the 2nd round (and then get it wrong on top of it all). Oddly as hard as it is, one way to make it easier is to NOT be clever, and just do the simplest and most obvious thing. It is not a beauty contest. You do not get points for complexity.
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Grier is an idiot
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I see a lot of love for the Roseman’s of the NFL. Roseman is good, of course better than Grier, but the “we need someone like Roseman” is hyperbole. Sure, and again, he’s better than Grier. Not a high bar though.
Roseman:
Picked Jalen Reagor over Justin Jefferson
He chose JJ Arcega-Whiteside over DK Metcalf
His entire 2017 draft are pretty much busts.
He drafted a 26-27 yr old OG in the 1st round who was a bust.
Gave Nnamdi Asomugha a huge deal… crap
Drafted Andre Dillard, OT, in the 1st round… bust
He’s been with the Eagles since 2000. He didn’t really do anything “good” until around 2016… he became GM in 2010, but he held very high positions before that.
I guess my point is, yes, Grier should have been fired a while ago, but these guys need to learn. Blindly saying that “Kelly sucks”, when there’s really no proof one way or the other is not productive or rational.
Roseman:
Picked Jalen Reagor over Justin Jefferson
He chose JJ Arcega-Whiteside over DK Metcalf
His entire 2017 draft are pretty much busts.
He drafted a 26-27 yr old OG in the 1st round who was a bust.
Gave Nnamdi Asomugha a huge deal… crap
Drafted Andre Dillard, OT, in the 1st round… bust
He’s been with the Eagles since 2000. He didn’t really do anything “good” until around 2016… he became GM in 2010, but he held very high positions before that.
I guess my point is, yes, Grier should have been fired a while ago, but these guys need to learn. Blindly saying that “Kelly sucks”, when there’s really no proof one way or the other is not productive or rational.
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Can you give a recap? Don’t have time for the foreseeable future to listen to the whole podcast but I’m very interested on what he says.
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Can’t really “attribute” any picks to Kelly. Including the ones in Las Vegas and Chicago without seeing some sort of proof, but in Denver he was high up in scouting. From 2007-2014.
Von Miller and Demaryius Thomas are two players I know of.. haven’t really looked further.. Knowshon Moreno was picked during those years, too.
Just so I understand, you are advocating for 6 years of mistakes from Champ?
You are missing the point entirely.
There is no guarantee anyone we hire will be good or suck.
The idea is to hire someone with the highest probability of being good OR said another way the highest probability of not sucking.
The way to do that is to hire out of an organization that has shown they know how to win.
For example Roseman's #2 would be great, who learned from his mistakes, and learned what he did right.
Much better odds than a guy who comes from Chicago and Oakland, where they built disaster teams, and then came here, and helped produce what might have been the worst draft in the NFL this year.
Also there is more to being a GM than just drafting. It includes the strategy of building a team, including FA signings, and who and where you spend the money.
I prefer a guy who comes from an organization that has a demonstrated track record of doing all things well.
No guarantees, it just improves your odds of being right. My guess is it almost doubles your odds of being right.
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