The dolphins' philosophical paradox

[JT-forpresident]

Now that the draft is over, the pieces of the 2009 puzzle are almost all together.

A lot of us have an eerie feeling about this draft. Some like it and some others needed to go back to the liquor store after the first day.

On my part, i won't take it to much extent but i'll say i was more confused than pleased/displeased

The dolphins before the draft:
- signed vernon carey, a run blocking tackle who's not that athletic
- drafted jake long the year before, a top notch run blocker with a certain lack of athleticism (but very talented, don't get me wrong)
- swapped players at the center position basically to get rid of a quick feet, shotgun-friendly satele, for a mean pounder in jake grove

and now the draft comes along and we draft pat white... :confused:
don't get me wrong, i'm not judging the pick, but do you understand the paradox here ?

The dolphins got heavier, bigger, tougher on the line and sacrificed their most athletic OL in satele. And they go into the draft, and get a quarterback that, let's face it, will be successful in the wildcat or in a spread offence.

Our Oline does not have the makings whatsoever to do zone blocking in a spread offence. None at all.
(BTW people, don't give me that pat white can play receiver thing, that ain't happening)

my question is... wtf does ireland have in mind ?
wtf does dan henning and david lee have in mind ?

We have a smash mouth oline, we have smash mouth running backs.
we had the perfect oline for a bruising wildcat formation with ronnie as our runningback/quarterback. Now, with white in the backfield, you've gotta revisit your whole philosophy, your blocking scheme, etc. but do we really have the right pieces to make such a switch to accomodate pat white ?

we have the receivers i'll tell you that. We got top notch ''dinks and donks receivers'' in camarillo, ginn, bess and now hartline and turner (which is what you're looking for in a spread offence, high effeciency QBs with reliable WRs who have some YAC abilities, and we've got that deep threat in ginn that stretches the field) . But the oline ?


i'll wait and see how they build this offence because right now, this is puzzling

 

[burger13]

Now that the draft is over, the pieces of the 2009 puzzle are almost all together.

A lot of us have an eerie feeling about this draft. Some like it and some others needed to go back to the liquor store after the first day.

On my part, i won't take it to much extent but i'll say i was more confused than pleased/displeased

The dolphins before the draft:
- signed vernon carey, a run blocking tackle who's not that athletic
- drafted jake long the year before, a top notch run blocker with a certain lack of athleticism (but very talented, don't get me wrong)
- swapped players at the center position basically to get rid of a quick feet, shotgun-friendly satele, for a mean pounder in jake grove

and now the draft comes along and we draft pat white... :confused:
don't get me wrong, i'm not judging the pick, but do you understand the paradox here ?

The dolphins got heavier, bigger, tougher on the line and sacrificed their most athletic OL in satele. And they go into the draft, and get a quarterback that, let's face it, will be successful in the wildcat or in a spread offence.

Our Oline does not have the makings whatsoever to do zone blocking in a spread offence. None at all.
(BTW people, don't give me that pat white can play receiver thing, that ain't happening)

my question is... wtf does ireland have in mind ?
wtf does dan henning and david lee have in mind ?

we had the perfect oline for a bruising wildcat formation with ronnie as our runningback/quarterback. Now, with white in the backfield, you've gotta revisit your whole philosophy, your blocking scheme, etc. but do we really have the right pieces to make such a switch to accomodate pat white ?

we have the receivers i'll tell you that. We got top notch ''dinks and donks receivers'' in camarillo, ginn, bess and now hartline and turner (which is what you're looking for in a spread offence, high effeciency QBs with reliable WRs who have some YAC abilities, and we've got that deep threat in ginn that stretches the field) . But the oline ?


i'll wait and see how they build this offence because right now, this is puzzling

if they didn't have Ronnie (and to a lesser extent Ricky) already, I could see the problem, but the already have the big bruising power backs to compliment that oline. They are still gonna be in the base offense over 80% of the time.

With Pat White, they added something this offense simply didn't have enough of...a playmaker, a big play threat. Do you recall the the pass to Haynos that Ronnie missed in week 17? that's a TD this year. and there's more of it, cause they have someone with White's abilities, and there is a little more room for all those runs, because White is a passing threat.

 

[ArmyFin7]

A spread offense generally turns into 5 o-lineman against 4 or 5 rushers....we need guys that can win at the POA and to run from it we need guys who can move that 1 extra guy out of the way. I don't see where our o-line doesnt work.

 

[Aqua Shadow]

Maybe we are going to play Bash N Slash type of football. We block you 10 yards out of the endzone and then we have an agile slash type of runner...

 

[JT-forpresident]

A spread offense generally turns into 5 o-lineman against 4 or 5 rushers....we need guys that can win at the POA and to run from it we need guys who can move that 1 extra guy out of the way. I don't see where our o-line doesnt work.

what we need is players who can operate in space, because like you mentionned a spread offence will leave few blockers versus even fewer linemen, but blitzers who come from everywhere must be rightfully identified and the protection must adjust.
Our oline is smart enough, but i question its speed and agility to pass protect against flying linebackers, nickelbacks and safeties blitzing from everywhere, and that's the danger of having the wrong guys up front.
In the CIS and CFL, you see the best feet any centers can have in the whole world, but they give up size. I've seen the center of the best CIS team snap the shotgun, identify the sam blitzing and the nickel from the other side, and he was fast enough to drop back 7 yards to pick up that 180 ish blitzing mosquito. Quite impressive, and that's what we need and we don't have !
on the other hand, if you checkdown often, teams won't blitz as much, but now we're getting into the strategic part of it and no one can say what they're up to from that standpoint in 2009...

my main point was i don't understand the favorism given to mauling Olinemen and then draft a player that hasn't played in a traditionnal offence (which implies the type of oline we have) at the college level.

 

[ArmyFin7]

I think in effect thats what would happen. The bliters would leave recievers open. A lot of short passes. We seem to have loaded up on the type of recievers required. Had the dink and dunk guys and ginn as a deep threat added one 6'6'' target and a 6'2'' with decent speed.

 

[Orlando Fan]

if they didn't have Ronnie (and to a lesser extent Ricky) already, I could see the problem, but the already have the big bruising power backs to compliment that oline. They are still gonna be in the base offense over 80% of the time.

With Pat White, they added something this offense simply didn't have enough of...a playmaker, a big play threat. Do you recall the the pass to Haynos that Ronnie missed in week 17? that's a TD this year. and there's more of it, cause they have someone with White's abilities, and there is a little more room for all those runs, because White is a passing threat.

Exactly right, when Penny was lined up as a WR last year do you think the Defense was concerned, not alot, at best they had a guy play off him focusing in on Ronnie. Now switch that out with Pat White, whole differant ballgame, plus what Burger13 said above, Ronnie is no passer, White is....

 

[3rdandinches]

Now that the draft is over, the pieces of the 2009 puzzle are almost all together.

A lot of us have an eerie feeling about this draft. Some like it and some others needed to go back to the liquor store after the first day.

On my part, i won't take it to much extent but i'll say i was more confused than pleased/displeased

The dolphins before the draft:
- signed vernon carey, a run blocking tackle who's not that athletic
- drafted jake long the year before, a top notch run blocker with a certain lack of athleticism (but very talented, don't get me wrong)
- swapped players at the center position basically to get rid of a quick feet, shotgun-friendly satele, for a mean pounder in jake grove

and now the draft comes along and we draft pat white... :confused:
don't get me wrong, i'm not judging the pick, but do you understand the paradox here ?

The dolphins got heavier, bigger, tougher on the line and sacrificed their most athletic OL in satele. And they go into the draft, and get a quarterback that, let's face it, will be successful in the wildcat or in a spread offence.

Our Oline does not have the makings whatsoever to do zone blocking in a spread offence. None at all.
(BTW people, don't give me that pat white can play receiver thing, that ain't happening)

my question is... wtf does ireland have in mind ?
wtf does dan henning and david lee have in mind ?

We have a smash mouth oline, we have smash mouth running backs.
we had the perfect oline for a bruising wildcat formation with ronnie as our runningback/quarterback. Now, with white in the backfield, you've gotta revisit your whole philosophy, your blocking scheme, etc. but do we really have the right pieces to make such a switch to accomodate pat white ?

we have the receivers i'll tell you that. We got top notch ''dinks and donks receivers'' in camarillo, ginn, bess and now hartline and turner (which is what you're looking for in a spread offence, high effeciency QBs with reliable WRs who have some YAC abilities, and we've got that deep threat in ginn that stretches the field) . But the oline ?


i'll wait and see how they build this offence because right now, this is puzzling

P.White is going to be our change of pace (style) offense like many teams do with RB's. 1 big power back then sub in a lightning back, well we'll bring in White for packages (such as Wildcat) to keep the defense off guard. That's how I see it aleast.

 

[rickd13]

This has been one of my main concerns also. The personnel doesn't seem to match up.