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The Losing Philosophy The Miami Dolphins Have Been Applying To Their Quarterback Spot

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This is a very well written article. It reminds all of us that Gase has final say over the roster. And also that he has firmly hitched his wagon to RT, and alarmingly has failed in his duty to perform adequate due diligence on drafting a QB out of college.

As JJ once said: “Why settle on being mediocre when you can take a chance on being great?”.

Gase is content on mediocrity out of fear for his job. It is reflected clearly in his QB decisions as well as his play calling. Congrats to Gruden for having the balls to blow the whole thing up and load up on draft picks. He clearly has a long term view. Gase, on the other hand, is as effective as a politician who is more worried about reelection than than creating a dynasty.

Here is the article -

“This is going to be about philosophy.

And before you roll your eyes, it’s not about Aristotle or Kant or Confucius. It’s not about any of those homeboys. It’s about football philosophy.

It’s about the philosophy for running a franchise.

It about Mando philosophy for running a franchise and how that is at odds with the Miami Dolphins apparent philosophy in one very obvious and meaningful way.

I have won zero NFL games. I know nothing about how to win an NFL championship. But even out of that lack of expertise I know that a necessary step to winning big in the NFL is acquiring a great quarterback.


https://www.miamiherald.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/armando-salguero/article220517555.html
 
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"And the Dolphins were so comfortable with that, that they didn’t spend a ton of time working toward getting a viable replacement for Tannehill in the draft. They didn’t even spend a lot of time getting a replacement for backup Matt Moore, who we later found out was also incapable of playing a full season -- an admission the team later made."

Absolute clowns in the front office
 
The article boils down to: QB is important, Dolphins must take a dart shot at a QB in the draft every year and hope for the best, and it is not Mike Tennebaum's fault it has not been done.
 
LargoFin said:
The article boils down to: QB is important, Dolphins must take a dart shot at a QB in the draft every year and hope for the best, and it is not Mike Tennebaum's fault it has not been done.
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Bullseye.

Ante up for your QB, AND take a QB almost every draft to groom. A la Garoppolo
 
AdamC13 said:
Most spot on article I've ever read from him.
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Nope. The article spends too much time explaining that QB position is important. One sentence is enough, or better yet not a single word about that would suffice because everyone knows it.
The article suggests spending a pick on a QB every year, in a manner of taking a shot, just for the sake of taking a shot, which is completely divorced from wisdom.
And finally it absolves from responsibility the GM who failed to move up and grab one of premier quarterbacks in past few drafts, because he wanted to extend Tannehill who failed to perform on contract. Therefore, the article fails on all counts.
 
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During the 2017 offseason, the Dolphins were not all that interested in adding a QB that might be a challenger to Tannehill and maybe grow into a great player.

We know this because, well, they didn’t chase anyone of that caliber. We also know this because Gase said as much Tuesday when he was asked about Houston Texans quarterback Deshaun Watson.

“We weren’t looking at the quarterbacks too hard but through the draft meetings and the little time I spent on the guys that were coming out, the guy won a lot of games and did a great job, especially in clutch situations of finding a way to get his team into the end zone and winning games,” Gase said.


Read more here: https://www.miamiherald.com/sports/...-salguero/article220517555.html#storylink=cpy
 
LargoFin said:
Nope. The article spends too much time explaining that QB position is important. One sentence is enough, or better yet not a single word about that would suffice because everyone knows it.
The article suggests spending a pick on a QB every year, in a manner of taking a shot, just for the sake of taking a shot, which is completely divorced from wisdom.
And finally it absolves from responsibility the GM who failed to move up and grab one of premier quarterbacks in past few drafts, because he wanted to extend Tannehill who failed to perform on contract. Therefore, the article fails on all counts.
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Sorry, you are wrong.

Did you read the article at all?

The failure is not in the GM. Gase is in full control of the roster decisions, it is firmly written into his contract, and that includes the draft.

If the GM has failed at all, it is in letting Gase have that power. And in hiring a coach who can’t be open enough to the possibility that RT is not the answer. What type of coach has a mediocre QB and DOES NOT spend time (by his own admission) properly looking at QB’s in the draft class?

Lord help us. It’s coaching and drafting 101. I feel arrogance is playing a strong role here
 
In Gase We Trust said:
I haven’t had time to read the article yet (at work), but Gase has said on multiple occasions that he wants to draft a QB every year.

I disagree. It goes against everything we know about Mike Tannenbaum’s personality. We can’t conveniently blame Gase for one thing and Tannenbaum for another. Just my .02.
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Gase has final say in the drafting process
 
TrinidadDolfan said:
The failure is not in the GM. Gase is in full control of the roster decisions, it is firmly written into his contract, and that includes the draft.
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Roster decisions means cutting players from 90+ down to 53, and then deciding on the gameday roster. Roster decisions does not mean player acquisitions. There is a team of scouts under the GM that does that.

Second, the draftboard as we know is prepared for months, based on scouting values and the assessed team needs, and selections made based on availability on draft day. The GM has a big say in that. But more importantly, the GM has a big say in the direction the team will take when it comes to QBs.

So all that Mando garbage is divorced from reality and wisdom.
 
TrinidadDolfan said:
This is a very well written article. It reminds all of us that Gase has final say over the roster. And also that he has firmly hitched his wagon to RT, and alarmingly has failed in his duty to perform adequate due diligence on drafting a QB out of college.

As JJ once said: “Why settle on being mediocre when you can take a chance on being great?”.

Gase is content on mediocrity out of fear for his job. It is reflected clearly in his QB decisions as well as his play calling. Congrats to Gruden for having the balls to blow the whole thing up and load up on draft picks. He clearly has a long term view. Gase, on the other hand, is as effective as a politician who is more worried about reelection than than creating a dynasty.

Here is the article -

“This is going to be about philosophy.

And before you roll your eyes, it’s not about Aristotle or Kant or Confucius. It’s not about any of those homeboys. It’s about football philosophy.

It’s about the philosophy for running a franchise.

It about Mando philosophy for running a franchise and how that is at odds with the Miami Dolphins apparent philosophy in one very obvious and meaningful way.

I have won zero NFL games. I know nothing about how to win an NFL championship. But even out of that lack of expertise I know that a necessary step to winning big in the NFL is acquiring a great quarterback.


https://www.miamiherald.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/armando-salguero/article220517555.html
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I have been a Tannehill supporter. I think he is "good enough," but I think Mando does make some great points in this article. Good enough isn't great, and it's probably not going to win us a Superbowl.

I think we need to draft a QB this year in the first round, and we'll probably need to trade the farm for it. Will there be a prospect worth it?
 
TrinidadDolfan said:
Sorry, you are wrong.

Did you read the article at all?

The failure is not in the GM. Gase is in full control of the roster decisions, it is firmly written into his contract, and that includes the draft.
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You've read Gase's contract? You seem to be confusing the words "roster" with "draft". Gase has control over who suites up on game day. Grier (or maybe MT) has control over who is drafted. Now, control is an interesting word here, because you really never want those decisions to come down to who has "control" because that reflects organizational disfunction and usually reflects a power play between the coach and GM. You want your coaching staff and your FO to be in agreement about what kinds of players they are looking for via the draft and FA, and who are the players that give your team the best chance to win on Sunday.

What we've been reading for the last couple of years is that the 3 headed monster of Coach, GM, and MT are able to work out their disagreements and work well together. Is that true? Who knows. But given the way teams leak when there are problems of that nature, it seems likely, that at least for now, people are working well together.

TrinidadDolfan said:
I feel arrogance is playing a strong role here
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I couldn't agree with you more about your post
 
fin415 said:
You've read Gase's contract? You seem to be confusing the words "roster" with "draft". Gase has control over who suites up on game day. Grier (or maybe MT) has control over who is drafted. Now, control is an interesting word here, because you really never want those decisions to come down to who has "control" because that reflects organizational disfunction and usually reflects a power play between the coach and GM. You want your coaching staff and your FO to be in agreement about what kinds of players they are looking for via the draft and FA, and who are the players that give your team the best chance to win on Sunday.

What we've been reading for the last couple of years is that the 3 headed monster of Coach, GM, and MT are able to work out their disagreements and work well together. Is that true? Who knows. But given the way teams leak when there are problems of that nature, it seems likely, that at least for now, people are working well together.



I couldn't agree with you more about your post
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Good post, but consider the reality of the situation. Yes, the GM, scouts etc all give input, but the final decision is up to Gase.

Enter into evidence exhibit A.
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“The personnel department presents Gase with options. And he, the coaches, the scouts, Grier, Tannenbaum all discuss the options before coming to a consensus.

But if Gase doesn’t want a guy, that guy will not be on the Dolphins.

Similarly, if Gase wants a guy -- like he wanted Brock Osweiler -- that guy will be chased by the Dolphins like a sportswriter chases a free meal.”

Your Honor, the Prosecution rests.
 
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