The mock offseason of substantial impossibility

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  1. SCLSU Mud Dogs

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    I'm no fortune teller. I wouldn't even call myself smart. But here's my take at a mock offseason of moves that make sense to me (but probably won't happen).

    Cuts: Lawrence Timmons (5.475M saved 2.75M dead), Julius Thomas (6.6M saved)
    Restructure: Wake (not quite sure how the contract would work but go from an 8.6M to a 5M cap hit)

    Our own:
    Jarvis Landry-Not worth $15M a year, so he leaves in free agency.
    Ja'Wuan James-pretty sure Miami dropped his 5th year option. I think they'll let him walk and replace him with Jesse Davis.
    Sam Young-sign for 1 year, $1.25M
    Cody Parkey-sign for 2 years, $2M
    Michael Thomas-1 year, $1.25M

    As for the rest, Miami's restricted free agents aren't worth the price tag of an original round tender (which will be close to $2M for a one-year deal).

    Room left for draft and free agency: $35M

    Free agency:

    Jeremy Hill, RB: 1 year, $2M—young back that had success early and definitely fell flat as of late.
    Marqise Lee, WR: 3 years, $18M (10 gtd, $4M first year cap hit)—not a number 1 receiver but would definitely be capable in a WR committee.
    Justin Pugh, G/T: 4 years, $36M (17 gtd, $7M first year cap hit)—played mostly right tackle for the Giants this past season but I'm pretty sure his natural position is left guard. He'd probably help a lot being next to Tunsil, as well.
    Joe Berger, C/G: 1 year, $2M—old veteran (36 years old) but insurance for Pouncey and very solid depth.
    Avery Williamson, SLB: 3 years, $15M (7.5 gtd, $3.5M first year cap hit)—young strongside linebacker who played decently well for Tennessee
    Trey Burton, TE: 3 years, $24M (12 gtd, $6M first year cap hit)—this is kind of a pipe dream, but I think he'd thrive in this offense and be very capable of being that missing piece.

    $10.5M left after free agency

    Draft:
    Round 1: Marcus Davenport, DE, UTSA—raw and from a small school, but with some grooming he could be a great DE
    Round 2: Braden Smith, G, Auburn—finalizes the offensive line overhaul
    Round 3: Troy Fumagalli, TE, Wisconsin—another weapon for an offense that loses its top target in Jarvis Landry
    Round 4a: Shaquem Griffin, OLB, UCF—I truly believe he gets drafted higher than the 4th round, but not many draft websites are projecting him higher than round 5. He only has one hand, but if you watched any UCF games, you'd know what an impact player he is. He's great in coverage, but also has an insane ability to get to the quarterback, considering he's undersized at about 225 pounds. Miami could definitely use him in sub packages and on third down in a multitude of ways.
    Round 4b: Michael Gallup, WR, Colorado State—decent WR prospect with solid college production
    Round 6: Bo Scarbrough, RB, Alabama—Not sure he lasts this long, but he's a bruiser.

    Projected starters and such:
    QB: Ryan Tannehill
    RB: Kenyan Drake, Jeremy Hill, Bo Scarbrough
    TE: Trey Burton, Troy Fumagalli, Marquis Grey
    WR: Kenny Stills, DeVante Parker, Marqise Lee, Michael Gallup, Jakeem Grant
    LT: Laremy Tunsil
    LG: Justin Pugh
    C: Mike Pouncey, Joe Berger
    RG: Braden Smith
    RT: Jesse Davis
    DE: Charles Harris, Cameron Wake, Marcus Davenport, Andre Branch
    DT: Suh, Phillips, Godchaux, Vincent Taylor
    LB: Kiko Alonso, Raekwon McMillan, Avery Williamson, Shaquem Griffin
    CB: Xavien Howard, Tony Lippett, Cordrea Tankersly, Bobby McCain
    S: Reshad Jones, TJ McDonald, Michael Thomas

    There you have it. Flame away.
     
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    Nice work. Two points:
    * I really want a true FS...either for a 3 safety look and/or because I dont like interchangeable safeties. Thoughts on this?
    * Would you keep Hayes at DE if we can get him for a decent price and there is confidence that he bounces back from the injury? I liked him as a run stopper and hustle player...
     
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    Miami dropped James's option? When? Link? Sorry if true, I just hadn't heard it.
     
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    Where do I sign? I am all for any plan that lands Griffin on this squad
     
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    You are smart
     
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    Man I would do just about anything to Get Shaqeem Griffin on this team..

    the culture could use a kid like this, the defense could use his game.

    he's a gifted defensive football player who plays calm and cool when diagnosing, the explodes, built with intrinsic ability to maneuver quickly to point B, and counter athletically in a fraction of a second to an offenders move, without hesitation and wasted steps, he's fast, quick, and overall athletic...and oh yeah, because of his one arm, he's very very creative when getting to the qb..
     
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    LOL no backup qb. yeah great
     
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    I didn't love your first rounder but when Troy Fumagali showed up I was happy about it. This is one player that I've watched a bit at Wisconsin and he's very hard to cover. He catches everything and his catch radius isn't too shabby either and he even likes to block. Fumagali would be a great welcome home gift for Tannehill. I feel this prospect has a super good chance to be effective right away in the NFL.
     
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    Tannchise beat me to it. The QB room is going to be lonely for RT.
     
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    Well seeing as he only listed 38 players, I’m assuming he isn’t listing all players on the 53 man roster
     
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    I'd be ok with a developmental QB late and go forward with Moore as backup. He is good in spot duty
     
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    I actually like what you’ve done here with the exception of signing any free agent running back. There are just way too many I love in the draft.
     
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    the backup qb on this team has to be the 2nd most important position, especially after the ordeal this offseason. You cannot win with Matt Moore. Sure, he might provide a spark here and there, but he can't win. Foles is going to the SB for Pete's Sake. In addition, there is the injury concern of Tannehill. There are those who are self-proclaimed doctor's here that think it will never happen to him again. They are also the ones that are complaining about a terrible line for 12 years and essentially is the reason he is hurt. There is also the future. Miami owes it to them to have a strategic plan
     
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    sticking with Moore is a bad idea, might as well make Fales QB2
     
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    even worse.
     
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    I like your plan. It seemed almost too good to be true until I saw how weak it kept the Dolphins at LB and with no depth at safety. One injury and Michael Thomas is a starter? Yikes!
     
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    I agree whole heartedly.
     
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    yes need back up QB and true FS through draft or FA
    Any chance we could groom Lippett as a FS?
     
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    After reading the OP again I realized your first 4 picks would immediately contribute. When was the last time that happened in Miami?
     
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    You just can't ignore QB and call it an off season. A big part of things going forward is QB, starter, back up and practice squad. If we didn't learn that lesson by the events of last season then we are in real trouble. DRAFT A QB!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
     
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    If Davenport was there we'd be off to a good start come draft day.
     
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    Fumagalli and Griffin are the two players that I want soooo bad. Mostly because I think they will be underrated by scouts and will perform well enough for ten year careers in the NFL, in my opinion.

    Both these guys would become leaders of their sides of the ball if given the opportunity to shine
     
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    What? no John Denney?
     
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    He just weighed in at the Senior Bowl at just over 6'-0" and 225 lbs.
     
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    He just weighed in at just over 6 ft and 222 lbs.
     
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    His artificial hand weighed 225-222=3lbs? :)
     
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    I actually saw a mock last night after I finished this that mocked Shaquem Griffin to the Patriots at the end of the second round, so I don't think it will take long for teams to realize that Griffin is a monster, and having one hand is truly a minor detail. He does so many things well. Put him at weakside linebacker and you'll have a star on your defense for 10 years. Plus, he'll never have to come off the field because of his ability to rush the passer AND cover.
     
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    Wake can't be restructured like that without an extension. I wouldn't mind, however, he is a little old for that kind of move.\

    Michael Thomas was just awarded PFF's special teams player of the year. He will get at least twice that much on the open market, and a ST's teams guy has to take the money when he has his chance.

    Hill? Just why? The RB corps is really weak. Really weak. Not acceptable. Check Bo Scarborough in PFF's signature stats, I think they are free for last year. You will change your mind.

    Marquise Lee has more injury problems than Parker. Why give him all that money? What does he really do all that well? What elite physical gits does he have?

    Justin Pugh has played one full season in five years. He has a back injury. OL guys with back injuries are a big red flag.

    Joe Berger is retiring. We should have kept him and Evan Mathis when we had them, huh?

    Avery Williamson...https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nf...-space-heading-into-2018-offseason/ar-AAuWrQs
    Titans are sitting pretty. After they release DeMarco Murray and a couple other moves they will have cap room galore. If they want to keep him he won't hit the market. He had a great season. A much better season than a lot of other Titan defenders. This one is highly unlikely to hit the market.

    Trey Burton the big hot name on the market. An undersized TE or a big y-receiver? Either way, Dolphins are in no position to make this move. There will be a bidding war, and this guys body of work is severely lacking. This is a risk that one of the many teams with over 60 mil in cap are going to take.

    Davenport DE two years in a row with the first round pick is just really really unlikely. They are going to give Harris a chance to develop. I'm not saying they aren't going to draft the position, it just isn't going to be at #11, after using our 1st round pick on DE last year. Not with Wake coming off another double digit sack year and Branch under contract at 10 mil a year.

    Braden Smith Great pick

    Fumagalli Don't like those really short arms a TE and he would be a big reach in the 3rd

    Griffin Awful light man, awful light. Maybe Burke has some new ideas and schemes that would make a kid like that useful, otherwise,ST's.

    Michael Gallup 4b Wow man, gotta cry big foul here. This guy is universally pegged 2nd round except for the pundits mocking him in the first.
    http://mwwire.com/2018/01/21/2018-nfl-mock-draft-michael-gallup-first-round/

    Scarborough? Yuck, there is no talent there. I'd rather sign Legarrette Blount for chunk change and draft Bo's buddy Harris next year; now that kid is a difference maker.

    It really offends me when fans diminish the importance of finding depth and developmental players in the 7th round. We have two picks.....why did you peter out?

    Dude, you can't have just one injured QB on your roster.
     
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    PFF Signature stats....lol
     
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    I haven't seen many people say Tannehill won't be injured again and understand there is risk on his return. People also understand you can't win with Matt Moore in fact I think that point has been driven home to the point of redundancy at this point.

    I'm also pretty sure I've seen about ten or twelve threads about drafting a QB in 2018 so that's not some sort of unicorn either. Free agent QB signings.........yupper threads about that also.

    Backup QB isn't your second most important position lol. Truth be told if you are on to your backup QB chances are you are ****ed and history proves this time and time again. The list of QBs who have won as a backup QB even further illustrates that point:

    Earl Morrall, Super Bowl V
    Roger Staubach, Super Bowl VI
    Terry Bradshaw, Super Bowl IX
    Jim Plunkett, Super Bowl XV
    Doug Williams, Super Bowl XXII
    Jeff Hostetler, Super Bowl XXV
    Kurt Warner, Super Bowl XXXIV
    Trent Dilfer, Super Bowl XXXV
    Tom Brady, Super Bowl XXXVI

    Most of the names on this list are Franchise QBs and the Super Bowl helped launch a career. So yeah if you have franchise QB on your bench then sure backup QB is your most improtiant position but given that most teams don't you just pray you don't need to use youre backup QB.
     
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    1. You're not signing Marquise lee at $6M a year to be a physical specimen. He's a role player as a receiver and given Miami's receiving corps, that's probably the most likely signee at the position. That's also a fair contract for a player who could get ~700 yards in your offense. He'd be a very solid get.

    2. I saw Gallup on Walterfootball as a mid-to-late round prospect

    3. Fumagalli is absolutely not a reach in the third

    4. I didn't mock round 7 because I'd be talking out of my ***. I (and most people on this board) don't have the knowledge to evaluate talent through seven rounds of the draft.

    5. DE in the first two years in a row is VERY likely. Miami had one of the worst sack rates in the NFL last year and the only "future" player Miami has at DE is Charles Harris. It's one of the most important positions on the defense and it would be smart to take a DE in the first round.

    6. Trey Burton has made the most of every opportunity he's received in Philly. The most successful TE in Miami in recent memory was basically a h-back (Charles Clay). That's exactly the role I could imagine Burton filling.

    7. Why Jeremy Hill? Because he's one of the few running backs on the market who has produced in the past. I'm of the belief that a change of scenery will help Hill get back to his roots of being a solid, productive running back.

    8. Tannehill has had no history of injuries in the NFL except for his knee. People come back from ACL injuries pretty commonly. I'm not worried about his health.

    9. While Pugh had a back injury this season, it did not require surgery. Just time to heal.
     
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    DE@11, esp. if Chubb somehow falls. Ha.
     
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    I’m a fan of this off-season. Give me Eric Reid instead of Pugh and a QB like Benkert in the 3rd, and I’m on board.
     
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    That's a long and significant list. And of course append Nick Foles

    That list is more an argument why Backup QB IS important..
     
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    Justin Pugh WILL FIT IN PERFECTLY
    With his 17 games missing in 5 seasons

    He can join James with 17 games out in 4 seasons

    or Pouncey with 19 games
     
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    I still don’t understand why Jeremy Hill’s name keeps popping up. What am I missing?
     
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    I'll likely revise this post sometime soon, but what exactly would be the issue of signing Jeremy Hill? He's shown he can produce in the NFL. A change of scenery might do him well.
     
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    Clicked for the title, was not disappointed by the content. :thumbsup
     
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