The Next Adaptation

[SF Dolphin Fan]

Just read an interesting article that basically highlighted number of hits quarterbacks have taken and the decision moving forward with Tua.

In a nutshell, even taking fewer hits than most quarterbacks, Tua is still missing too many games due to injuries. Not a revelation to Dolphins fans.

When McDaniel was first hired, he designed an offense around Tua's strengths. Timing passes, getting rid of the ball quickly etc. In that regard, the Hill trade made perfect sense to pair with Tua's insane timing and ball placement.

Like most here, I'm frustrated with Hill. But got to give him credit for his precise routes. You don't get 1,700 yards on speed alone. Hill has also been a high effort player on the field.

So, now to the point. What's the next adaptation? Is the team too limited because of the design of the offensive around Tua? Those long developing pass plays are basically out of the equation simply because it means more quarterback hits.

Improving the offensive line is certainly part of the issue.

Chances are Hill won't be back either. You don't quit on a team and come back, right? How do you now replace a player who is so instrumental to the offense?

What's the next adaptation with Tua? What would McDaniel do with a more conventional quarterback?

It would be interesting to know what McDaniel would consider his ideal quarterback prototype.

 

[laxcoach]

I don’t think the offense was designed for Tua.

When I watch SF with Purdy, it looks the same to me.

I do think it is tweaked for quicker passes / decisions bc of the line though.

 

[Avigatorx]

We gotta be able to run the ball between the tackles. That means we need better interior linemen and/or scheme changes on the line.

If we can run the ball and can provide more time in the pocket (or at least create a pocket without defenders in the backfield immediately) it will allow us to open up the passing game and become far less predictable.

Our offense has been far too predictable and defenses are teeing up on our bread an butter plays, like that damn bubble screen or the halfback pitch out of the pistol.

A big bodied possession receiver would also go a long way.

 

[laxcoach]

One other thing…. I looked it up earlier this year. Between his rookie season being mostly lost and last year being half lost, Burrow has missed more (or about the same - been a month) games he was set to start than Tua.

The hip thing worries me because of the history. That original injury causes degeneration.

But for my money, Tua’s problem this year was self inflicted. That’s the frustration compared to Burrow. He made a stupid decision. Then we saw him do it a few more times on runs when he came back. Just slide man.

 

[Virginia99]

One other thing…. I looked it up earlier this year. Between his rookie season being mostly lost and last year being half lost, Burrow has missed more (or about the same - been a month) games he was set to start than Tua.

The hip thing worries me because of the history. That original injury causes degeneration.

But for my money, Tua’s problem this year was self inflicted. That’s the frustration compared to Burrow. He made a stupid decision. Then we saw him do it a few more times on runs when he came back. Just slide man.

Or diving head first at a runaway linebacker streaking down the field after an INT. It's like the whole bulk up, jujitsu learn our to fall mantra for 2023 went up in smoke. Leading up to 2024 it was we're going to get a leaner Tua and make things happen with his feet bla bla bla. I had a bad feeling about it from the get go.

 

[Sticky Gloves]

Just read an interesting article that basically highlighted number of hits quarterbacks have taken and the decision moving forward with Tua.

In a nutshell, even taking fewer hits than most quarterbacks, Tua is still missing too many games due to injuries. Not a revelation to Dolphins fans.

When McDaniel was first hired, he designed an offense around Tua's strengths. Timing passes, getting rid of the ball quickly etc. In that regard, the Hill trade made perfect sense to pair with Tua's insane timing and ball placement.

Like most here, I'm frustrated with Hill. But got to give him credit for his precise routes. You don't get 1,700 yards on speed alone. Hill has also been a high effort player on the field.

So, now to the point. What's the next adaptation? Is the team too limited because of the design of the offensive around Tua? Those long developing pass plays are basically out of the equation simply because it means more quarterback hits.

Improving the offensive line is certainly part of the issue.

Chances are Hill won't be back either. You don't quit on a team and come back, right? How do you now replace a player who is so instrumental to the offense?

What's the next adaptation with Tua? What would McDaniel do with a more conventional quarterback?

It would be interesting to know what McDaniel would consider his ideal quarterback prototype.

I think after the concussion, the main focus was to keep Tua healthy in 2023. That was accomplished by getting rid of the ball quickly and throwing to spots. However, as the year wore on, you saw good teams able to counter this stuff my jamming receivers and playing 2 safeties. With McDaniel's outside zone scheme, he doesn't want great pass blocking. He wants blockers who are quick and nimble and get outside to run block. Coupled with an offense that gets rid of the ball quickly, the sceme was never going to prioritize pass blocking.

Now that it's all blown up. I'm not sure how you build an offense around Tua. Any other scheme is going to get Tua hit more. A lot more. You are going to see his limitations when it comes to his arm strength in a traditional offense. His lack of arm strength is offset by throwing timing routes to spots on the field. If you want to run a more traditional offense where Tua sees the field and throws the ball, OK, however Tua can't ever afford to be late with his physical limitations.

 

[SF Dolphin Fan]

We gotta be able to run the ball between the tackles. That means we need better interior linemen and/or scheme changes on the line.

If we can run the ball and can provide more time in the pocket (or at least create a pocket without defenders in the backfield immediately) it will allow us to open up the passing game and become far less predictable.

Our offense has been far too predictable and defenses are teeing up on our bread an butter plays, like that damn bubble screen or the halfback pitch out of the pistol.

A big bodied possession receiver would also go a long way.

Good point. I think the next adaptation, at least with Tua as the quarterback, has to be a stronger running game.

 

[Blake the great]

Just read an interesting article that basically highlighted number of hits quarterbacks have taken and the decision moving forward with Tua.

In a nutshell, even taking fewer hits than most quarterbacks, Tua is still missing too many games due to injuries. Not a revelation to Dolphins fans.

When McDaniel was first hired, he designed an offense around Tua's strengths. Timing passes, getting rid of the ball quickly etc. In that regard, the Hill trade made perfect sense to pair with Tua's insane timing and ball placement.

Like most here, I'm frustrated with Hill. But got to give him credit for his precise routes. You don't get 1,700 yards on speed alone. Hill has also been a high effort player on the field.

So, now to the point. What's the next adaptation? Is the team too limited because of the design of the offensive around Tua? Those long developing pass plays are basically out of the equation simply because it means more quarterback hits.

Improving the offensive line is certainly part of the issue.

Chances are Hill won't be back either. You don't quit on a team and come back, right? How do you now replace a player who is so instrumental to the offense?

What's the next adaptation with Tua? What would McDaniel do with a more conventional quarterback?

It would be interesting to know what McDaniel would consider his ideal quarterback prototype.

this is the problem with McDaniel. he struggles to make adjustments and struggles to adapt. And when he does do it, it's usually too late.

But in regards to how to make an offense work with Tua, we build up the interior of the O line and beef up our RB room and become a more run heavy team so Tua isnt throwing the ball 35+ times a game. Mcdaniel should take note from his colleague Matt Lafleur in GB. They have become a more run heavy team and Jordan Love isn't chucking the ball around nearly as much as Tua has. Mccvay went to the super bowl with a very run heavy team with Todd Gurley. Tua doesn't need to win us every game on offense. Get more physical/big body WR's who can make contested catches. McDaniel loves calling fade routes in redzones to a 5'9" WR. The current offense scheme/philosophy isn't the only system that Tua can be successful in. He can still apply those strengths in any offense. our scheme was just built too much around getting Tyreek the ball and/or the threat of Tyreek which puts a lot of pressure on Tua getting one person the ball. We were never balanced enough.

 

[Mach2]

Good point. I think the next adaptation, at least with Tua as the quarterback, has to be a stronger running game.

That's true regardless of QB, though.

 

[Rev Kev]

We gotta be able to run the ball between the tackles. That means we need better interior linemen and/or scheme changes on the line.

If we can run the ball and can provide more time in the pocket (or at least create a pocket without defenders in the backfield immediately) it will allow us to open up the passing game and become far less predictable.

Our offense has been far too predictable and defenses are teeing up on our bread an butter plays, like that damn bubble screen or the halfback pitch out of the pistol.

A big bodied possession receiver would also go a long way.

You mean everyone including the quasi fan knows and call the horizontal plays?

 

[Avigatorx]

You mean everyone including the quasi fan knows and call the horizontal plays?

Yup.

McDaniel calls plays as if the other teams dont watch film or know our tendencies.

This offense will be easy to defend until they shore up the line. 2 deep shell, drop 7 into coverage, send lbers to the flats to take away the screens/outside zone runs and dare our interior oline to hold a block for 2 seconds. Teams generate instant pressure up the middle and if its a run they beat the RB to the handoff.

 

[utahphinsfan]

I don’t think the offense was designed for Tua.

When I watch SF with Purdy, it looks the same to me.

I do think it is tweaked for quicker passes / decisions bc of the line though.

The Shanahan scheme is based in part on the west coast offense which relies quick, short passes

 

[Bob512]

Just read an interesting article that basically highlighted number of hits quarterbacks have taken and the decision moving forward with Tua.

In a nutshell, even taking fewer hits than most quarterbacks, Tua is still missing too many games due to injuries. Not a revelation to Dolphins fans.

When McDaniel was first hired, he designed an offense around Tua's strengths. Timing passes, getting rid of the ball quickly etc. In that regard, the Hill trade made perfect sense to pair with Tua's insane timing and ball placement.

Like most here, I'm frustrated with Hill. But got to give him credit for his precise routes. You don't get 1,700 yards on speed alone. Hill has also been a high effort player on the field.

So, now to the point. What's the next adaptation? Is the team too limited because of the design of the offensive around Tua? Those long developing pass plays are basically out of the equation simply because it means more quarterback hits.

Improving the offensive line is certainly part of the issue.

Chances are Hill won't be back either. You don't quit on a team and come back, right? How do you now replace a player who is so instrumental to the offense?

What's the next adaptation with Tua? What would McDaniel do with a more conventional quarterback?

It would be interesting to know what McDaniel would consider his ideal quarterback prototype.

I think I would also like to know why Tua was put on IR due to a concussion?

Whose decision was that and why was it made? If Grier is going to point to Tua’s missed time as the excuse for this season then I think we deserve an explanation of why that occurred. I would throw in the final two games with the hip issue? Who made that decision and why was Tua reportedly unhappy with it and saying he was playing if we made the playoffs?

I hope we are not coddling him for some PR reason…..but my instincts say otherwise

 

[SF Dolphin Fan]

I think I would also like to know why Tua was put on IR due to a concussion?

Whose decision was that and why was it made? If Grier is going to point to Tua’s missed time as the excuse for this season then I think we deserve an explanation of why that occurred. I would throw in the final two games with the hip issue? Who made that decision and why was Tua reportedly unhappy with it and saying he was playing if we made the playoffs?

I hope we are not coddling him for some PR reason…..but my instincts say otherwise

All fair questions. If memory serves, wasn't Tua cleared to play after about two weeks following the concussion? Yet he missed the four games because Miami put him on IR.

Unfortunately, Miami needs to prepare for life without Tua.

Personally, if I were GM, I'd stack the quarterback room with talent. A developmental quarterback in this draft, and maybe a free agent with some upside, but cheap enough to fit in cap wise.

Dart, Howard or Leonard would be my mid-round targets. Maybe Ewers if he slips.

That wouldn't exclude picking a quarterback high in 2026 either.

 

[lynx]

Just read an interesting article that basically highlighted number of hits quarterbacks have taken and the decision moving forward with Tua.

In a nutshell, even taking fewer hits than most quarterbacks, Tua is still missing too many games due to injuries. Not a revelation to Dolphins fans.

When McDaniel was first hired, he designed an offense around Tua's strengths. Timing passes, getting rid of the ball quickly etc. In that regard, the Hill trade made perfect sense to pair with Tua's insane timing and ball placement.

Like most here, I'm frustrated with Hill. But got to give him credit for his precise routes. You don't get 1,700 yards on speed alone. Hill has also been a high effort player on the field.

So, now to the point. What's the next adaptation? Is the team too limited because of the design of the offensive around Tua? Those long developing pass plays are basically out of the equation simply because it means more quarterback hits.

Improving the offensive line is certainly part of the issue.

Chances are Hill won't be back either. You don't quit on a team and come back, right? How do you now replace a player who is so instrumental to the offense?

What's the next adaptation with Tua? What would McDaniel do with a more conventional quarterback?

It would be interesting to know what McDaniel would consider his ideal quarterback prototype.

I don't think it matters. If the rumors are true about McDaniel not really caring about the line, I'm not sure how he has any success moving forward, I think he is over his head