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The possibility of Rashawn Slater/Vera Tucker being there at pick 18 for us

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Note: The God Grier has sent me telepathic messages of the future:

Many Mock draft has us drafting Zaven Collins with pick 18. But what if Slater was still around with this pick? What if teams that are projected to draft an offensive weapon end up drafting defensive players? What if Collins is chosen earlier than what we thought about? The draft is only days away, and we don't know what is going to happen, but I bet you if Slater was at pick 18, the Dolphins would grab him in a heart beat no questions asked. The real question we have here is, what team are likely going to pick defense before our turn is up?

7. Detroit Lions *
8. Carolina Panthers *
9. Denver Broncos *
10. Dallas Cowboys Defense
11. New York Giants Defense
12. Philadelphia Eagles (from Miami Dolphins via San Francisco 49ers) Defense
13. Los Angeles Chargers *
14. Minnesota Vikings Defense
15. New England Patriots Defense
16. Arizona Cardinals *
17. Las Vegas Raiders Defense

These are the teams that I feel will end up making defense picks. So my guess here is that Parsons, Zaven Collins, Paye, and even Rosseau may not even be around by pick 18, and that the Dolphins will end up picking either Slater, or Tucker. And if somehow Zaven happens to be available, we are still picking Vera or Slater if they are around. I know Devonta Smith will be picked by the Lions if we don't pick him, and someone is going to pick Mac Jones. So that Mean that there is a high chance that 3 offensive players will be taken after we pick. The rest of the teams are going to go on a Defense manhunt.

Thoughts? Comments?


Future offensive line

LT Jackson
LG Kindley
C (whoever we pick in the 2nd round) Dickerson/Humphrees
RG Hunt
RT Vera/ Slater
 
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i have seen draft folks that have Slater above Sewell, neck and neck with Sewell, slightly behind Sewell.

so i would not expect him to last to 18.

i haven't seen those kind of comparisons with Aloe Vera (to either Sewell or Slater), i think he's projected as a Guard, not a tackle, and I wouldn't be surprised if he was there at 18, and wouldn't take him if he wasn't by far the best player on the board (our Guard situation is pretty strong).
 
juniorseau55 said:
Note: The God Grier has sent me telepathic messages of the future:

Many Mock draft has us drafting Zaven Collins with pick 18. But what if Slater was still around with this pick? What if teams that are projected to draft an offensive weapon end up drafting defensive players? What if Collins is chosen earlier than what we thought about? The draft is only days away, and we don't know what is going to happen, but I bet you if Slater was at pick 18, the Dolphins would grab him in a heart beat no questions asked. The real question we have here is, what team are likely going to pick defense before our turn is up?

7. Detroit Lions *
8. Carolina Panthers *
9. Denver Broncos *
10. Dallas Cowboys Defense
11. New York Giants Defense
12. Philadelphia Eagles (from Miami Dolphins via San Francisco 49ers) Defense
13. Los Angeles Chargers *
14. Minnesota Vikings Defense
15. New England Patriots Defense
16. Arizona Cardinals *
17. Las Vegas Raiders Defense

These are the teams that I feel will end up making defense picks. So my guess here is that Parsons, Zaven Collins, Paye, and even Rosseau may not even be around by pick 18, and that the Dolphins will end up picking either Slater, or Tucker. And if somehow Zaven happens to be available, we are still picking Vera or Slater if they are around. I know Devonta Smith will be picked by the Lions if we don't pick him, and someone is going to pick Mac Jones. So that Mean that there is a high chance that 3 offensive players will be taken after we pick. The rest of the teams are going to go on a Defense manhunt.

Thoughts? Comments?


Future offensive line

LT Jackson
LG Kindley
C (whoever we pick in the 2nd round) Dickerson/Humphrees
RG Hunt
RT Vera/ Slater
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Vera-Tucker has 32 inch arms and doesn't look comfortable outside at Tackle.....not smooth, like he's always fighting it. Really like him at guard, he's the athletic guard i tend to gravitate towards. That said, i doubt i would consider him at #18 when i see who's left on the board. I just don't value the guard position enough unless that guard on the board is elite (Nelson) and the other positions have lesser talent. I'd rather find a true OT and kick Hunt inside, theoretically improving 2 positions at once.

I would grab Slater in a heartbeat. Unless Miami picks Zaven Collins at 18, i don't see him coming off the board until the 20's.
 
PSU Cane said:
Vera-Tucker has 32 inch arms and doesn't look comfortable outside at Tackle.....not smooth, like he's always fighting it. Really like him at guard, he's the athletic guard i tend to gravitate towards. That said, i doubt i would consider him at #18 when i see who's left on the board. I just don't value the guard position enough unless that guard on the board is elite (Nelson) and the other positions have lesser talent. I'd rather find a true OT and kick Hunt inside, theoretically improving 2 positions at once.

I would grab Slater in a heartbeat. Unless Miami picks Zaven Collins at 18, i don't see him coming off the board until the 20's.
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We will see , I still see that the majority of the teams end up drafting Defense except for 2-3 teams.
 
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circumstances said:
i have seen draft folks that have Slater above Sewell, neck and neck with Sewell, slightly behind Sewell.

so i would not expect him to last to 18.

i haven't seen those kind of comparisons with Aloe Vera (to either Sewell or Slater), i think he's projected as a Guard, not a tackle, and I wouldn't be surprised if he was there at 18, and wouldn't take him if he wasn't by far the best player on the board (our Guard situation is pretty strong).
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I think that our team might have some perspectives that we all don't have.

For what is worth:

zonecoverage.com

Forget Arm Length, Alijah Vera-Tucker Is A Tackle - Zone Coverage

You've probably heard a lot about arm length in this draft cycle. On average, offensive tackles have about 34" arms, guards have about 33" arms, and
zonecoverage.com zonecoverage.com
 
juniorseau55 said:
I think that our team might have some perspectives that we all don't have.

For what is worth:

zonecoverage.com

Forget Arm Length, Alijah Vera-Tucker Is A Tackle - Zone Coverage

You've probably heard a lot about arm length in this draft cycle. On average, offensive tackles have about 34" arms, guards have about 33" arms, and
zonecoverage.com zonecoverage.com
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NFL.com prospect profiles has him as Guard (not G/T or anything).

Not that that means anything, but that's how they are grading him as a prospect.

www.nfl.com

Alijah Vera-Tucker Draft and Combine Prospect Profile | NFL.com

All Combine and Draft-Related Analysis, News, Video, and Biographical Information for Alijah Vera-Tucker
www.nfl.com www.nfl.com
 
circumstances said:
NFL.com prospect profiles has him as Guard (not G/T or anything).

Not that that means anything, but that's how they are grading him as a prospect.

www.nfl.com

Alijah Vera-Tucker Draft and Combine Prospect Profile | NFL.com

All Combine and Draft-Related Analysis, News, Video, and Biographical Information for Alijah Vera-Tucker
www.nfl.com www.nfl.com
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Honestly, they did the same with Robert Hunt. Hunt was listed as both guard/tackle. I Honestly wouldn't be surprised at this point if we draft either guy if they are there by 18.
 
Slim to none. That’s the chance they will be there. The slim would Tucker.
 
juniorseau55 said:
I think that our team might have some perspectives that we all don't have.

For what is worth:

zonecoverage.com

Forget Arm Length, Alijah Vera-Tucker Is A Tackle - Zone Coverage

You've probably heard a lot about arm length in this draft cycle. On average, offensive tackles have about 34" arms, guards have about 33" arms, and
zonecoverage.com zonecoverage.com
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I get it - we will all have different opinions and that's ok.

For a counter-argument though, my buddy writes for a website as well. He's no more qualified than anyone else to break down tape. If there was a quote in there about Miami coaches thinking he was a tackle, then i could understand the thought of Miami seeing him as a possibility at RT.

I'm not saying Vera-Tucker can't be a competent player at RT, maybe similar to Hunt. I'm saying i think he's a much better guard and that's where i would slot him......just as i said that about Hunt when he was drafted. You can have guys get by or survive at positions they aren't best suited for, but why would you want that? Let them max their potential at the position that fits them best.
 
I don’t see Slater being there at 18 but I would run to the podium with the card if he is still there at 18. Vera-Tucker would be another good pick at 18 but a lot of mock drafts have him going before the 18th pick.

I think Radunz or Jenkins are possibilities at 18 with Leatherwood an outside possibility at 18 or at 36 if he is still on the board when the Dolphins have their first pick in the second round.

As of two hours ago, CBS has changed their mock draft and are now predicting the Dolphins will select Sewell at six in stead of Chase or one of the other WR’s. Obviously the CBS mock draft means nothing but I have no doubt the trade of Flowers has opened the eyes of any team interested in drafting Sewell. .
 
PSU Cane said:
I get it - we will all have different opinions and that's ok.

For a counter-argument though, my buddy writes for a website as well. He's no more qualified than anyone else to break down tape. If there was a quote in there about Miami coaches thinking he was a tackle, then i could understand the thought of Miami seeing him as a possibility at RT.

I'm not saying Vera-Tucker can't be a competent player at RT, maybe similar to Hunt. I'm saying i think he's a much better guard and that's where i would slot him......just as i said that about Hunt when he was drafted. You can have guys get by or survive at positions they aren't best suited for, but why would you want that? Let them max their potential at the position that fits them best.
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Everything else for him pans out except the arm length. At this point I can't sit here and tell you that there are lots of prospects out there that have the "Damn this guys is going to be an all pro". If you look at him on tape he could play tackle, but how he compares to the other tackles we will have to see. At least he will be a solid guard, but a team out there has another opinion though.
 
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