The QB situation????????????

[nolefin]

ok i know that joey has done a DECENT job but i think everyone here can agree that he makes to many mistakes and cant throw an out pattern to save his life and a HEALTHY cpepp will take his job back, but here is the problem imo joey is getting some chemistry with the offense and getting better, so lets say we finish 7-9 or 8-8 or whatever and miss the playoffs then cpepp gets 100% next year and we start him, then we lose the chemistry like we did last year with frerotte and we are in the same cycle as this year, we need to decide joey or cpepp asap and also we have the problem of playing harrington to long and that 6th pick becomes a 5th rounder, how many games can he play without us giving up a 5th? does anyone think cpepp could maybe play the last 2 games of the year?

 

[bigchub22]

ok i know that joey has done a DECENT job but i think everyone here can agree that he makes to many mistakes and cant throw an out pattern to save his life and a HEALTHY cpepp will take his job back, but here is the problem imo joey is getting some chemistry with the offense and getting better, so lets say we finish 7-9 or 8-8 or whatever and miss the playoffs then cpepp gets 100% next year and we start him, then we lose the chemistry like we did last year with frerotte and we are in the same cycle as this year, we need to decide joey or cpepp asap and also we have the problem of playing harrington to long and that 6th pick becomes a 5th rounder, how many games can he play without us giving up a 5th? does anyone think cpepp could maybe play the last 2 games of the year?

cant throw an out pattern to save his life are you serious why cause a couple sailed on him and good thing some of them did he completed 61% of his passes give the guy a break holy sh-t people back him up for cryin outloud ....even the commentators yesterday were complementing him on his out patterns and his quick decisions and the groove he got in DAMN i am so tired of this bashing garbage:fire:

 

[bluehaze]

ok i know that joey has done a DECENT job but i think everyone here can agree that he makes to many mistakes and cant throw an out pattern to save his life and a HEALTHY cpepp will take his job back, but here is the problem imo joey is getting some chemistry with the offense and getting better, so lets say we finish 7-9 or 8-8 or whatever and miss the playoffs then cpepp gets 100% next year and we start him, then we lose the chemistry like we did last year with frerotte and we are in the same cycle as this year, we need to decide joey or cpepp asap and also we have the problem of playing harrington to long and that 6th pick becomes a 5th rounder, how many games can he play without us giving up a 5th? does anyone think cpepp could maybe play the last 2 games of the year?

LOL Harrington had 113.1 QB rating at half time yesterday and that consisted mostly of out patterns.

 

[Ekinger]

LOL Harrington had 113.1 QB rating at half time yesterday and that consisted mostly of out patterns.

76.9 by the end of the game, the first half was obviously a Joey anomaly. I was as excited as anyone that he was hitting htose 15-20 yard outs. Unfortunately I kept saying to myself can it last? And it didn't. He can't even do it for a whole game, let alone several games in a row like he'll need to do when we face Jets, Pats and Indy in 3 out of 4 weeks.

 

[BLITZKRIEG]

I was as excited as anyone that he was hitting htose 15-20 yard outs. Unfortunately I kept saying to myself can it last? And it didn't. He can't even do it for a whole game, let alone several games in a row.

Geez, I didn't realize that you have such outlandish expectations for Harrington. You actually expect Harrington to connect on every 15-20 yard throw he makes during an entire game??...Woe!!....now that's out there....

I've heard of unrealistic expectations before, but that one takes the cake during my history of membership....

PHINZ RULE!!!!

 

[ckparrothead]

Joey can throw the hook, hitch, slant, pop, square in and square out.

Ask him to throw a fly, drag, a post, corner, or any kind of double move...and he's probably not going to complete it or if he does, the ball won't be placed all that well.

It's kind of like how if you're not that good at pool you'll probably be better on the short shots even if the shorts are somewhat complicated, but that you can have the simplest angle lined up but if you need to cover a lot of green to get there you don't have a whole lot of chance at it unless you're good.

 

[phinphanforever]

Joey can throw the hook, hitch, slant, pop, square in and square out.

Ask him to throw a fly, drag, a post, corner, or any kind of double move...and he's probably not going to complete it or if he does, the ball won't be placed all that well.

It's kind of like how if you're not that good at pool you'll probably be better on the short shots even if the shorts are somewhat complicated, but that you can have the simplest angle lined up but if you need to cover a lot of green to get there you don't have a whole lot of chance at it unless you're good.

I agree. I've actually seen Joey make all the throws though (the hook, hitch, slant, pop, square in, square out, fly, drag, post, corner, double move).
The problem, however, is that a some point during every game I have seen Harrington play , it seems as though he has hit his head on the POST. He'll take a snap where it seems he doesn't know the difference between the square in or square out, throw a duck that will FLY into the defenders hand, and POP!!!, there goes all our momentum. It's enough to force one to make a double move- you slam your hand into the glass coffee table and puke all at the same time. You end up feeling so lousy, you hitch a ride down to the local Bird and Bee, drag yourself to the bar, take your pint to the corner of shame, where low and behold, you find some Bills fan in the same corner, spewing some slanted story about how JP Losman is the resurrection of Joe Montana, and all you want to do is is throw a left hook.

 

[Canadianfishfan]

Harrington has been a decent back up... people around here are still expect every single QB to end up like Marino... unbelieveable.

 

[Brown42000]

Are you serious, did you see the game yesterday? He was at his best when it came to the out patterns and was extremely accurate with them.

 

[Pagan]

Led the team down the field on the opening drive and Brown loses the fumble.

Had a 58 yard TD called back on a penalty.

That's 14 more points he pretty much got us.

Stop with the nonsense. He's doing better each week as he gets more comfortable.

 

[ckparrothead]

I agree. I've actually seen Joey make all the throws though (the hook, hitch, slant, pop, square in, square out, fly, drag, post, corner, double move).
The problem, however, is that a some point during every game I have seen Harrington play , it seems as though he has hit his head on the POST. He'll take a snap where it seems he doesn't know the difference between the square in or square out, throw a duck that will FLY into the defenders hand, and POP!!!, there goes all our momentum. It's enough to force one to make a double move- you slam your hand into the glass coffee table and puke all at the same time. You end up feeling so lousy, you hitch a ride down to the local Bird and Bee, drag yourself to the bar, take your pint to the corner of shame, where low and behold, you find some Bills fan in the same corner, spewing some slanted story about how JP Losman is the resurrection of Joe Montana, and all you want to do is is throw a left hook.

I disagree with this assessment. Harrington is not a very accurate QB. Turnovers aren't his only problem. He's incapable of connecting on your mid-level and deep routes, which constantly depresses his YPC and his accuracy.

 

[phinphanforever]

I disagree with this assessment. Harrington is not a very accurate QB. Turnovers aren't his only problem. He's incapable of connecting on your mid-level and deep routes, which constantly depresses his YPC and his accuracy.

I was just tryimg to be funny. I do agree with what you posted earlier -he is limited in the type of throws he can make- and that turnovers aren't his only problem. He has missed a lot of throws, especially mid to deep ones.
I think he had his best game as a fin yesterday (especially the first half) but I doubt we'll see that kind of offense again. It was well suited for the Vikes-having Brown banged up was also a contributing factor I'm sure- but it is way too risky against other teams.

 

[ckparrothead]

Most telling stat about his accuracy to me is that he has completed only 29% of his passes attempted between 11 and 20 yards.

Carson Palmer completes 51% of those passes. Marc Bulger completes 55.4% of those. Drew Brees complete 66.7% of those. Daunte Culpepper completed 65.2% of those passes. And I'm not even cherry picking which QBs to show you literally every starting QB I've checked aside from Harrington completes over 50% of those passes.

The lowest I can find are Walter at 42.1%, Gradkowski at 43.3% and Frye at 46.7%.

Notice a bit of a correlation here?

Christ even Vince Young completes 54% of those passes.

I wonder if Harrington is technically the least accurate intermediate thrower in the NFL. I don't doubt it.

 

[Kdawg954]

Most telling stat about his accuracy to me is that he has completed only 29% of his passes attempted between 11 and 20 yards.

Carson Palmer completes 51% of those passes. Marc Bulger completes 55.4% of those. Drew Brees complete 66.7% of those. Daunte Culpepper completed 65.2% of those passes. And I'm not even cherry picking which QBs to show you literally every starting QB I've checked aside from Harrington completes over 50% of those passes.

The lowest I can find are Walter at 42.1%, Gradkowski at 43.3% and Frye at 46.7%.

Notice a bit of a correlation here?

Christ even Vince Young completes 54% of those passes.

I wonder if Harrington is technically the least accurate intermediate thrower in the NFL. I don't doubt it.

Wow, that is a horrible stat.

 

[finfan54]

Most telling stat about his accuracy to me is that he has completed only 29% of his passes attempted between 11 and 20 yards.

Carson Palmer completes 51% of those passes. Marc Bulger completes 55.4% of those. Drew Brees complete 66.7% of those. Daunte Culpepper completed 65.2% of those passes. And I'm not even cherry picking which QBs to show you literally every starting QB I've checked aside from Harrington completes over 50% of those passes.

The lowest I can find are Walter at 42.1%, Gradkowski at 43.3% and Frye at 46.7%.

Notice a bit of a correlation here?

Christ even Vince Young completes 54% of those passes.

I wonder if Harrington is technically the least accurate intermediate thrower in the NFL. I don't doubt it.

Alot of that is CC and Mcmike dropping passes. :D I watch the games too ya know. statistics dont tell the whole picture.

I wish people would just get off joeys jock. Its unreal.