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The Question of Ryan Tannehill - Bill Barnwell

I think being stuck in his progressions is a very fair criticism and something we've knocked around a lot in here. Hopefully Lazor can coach that out of him.
 
Very fair article. His career could go either way, but I don't think we would ever be awful and I don't think he will ever be great. He is a lot like Henne to me.
 
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I think being stuck in his progressions is a very fair criticism and something we've knocked around a lot in here. Hopefully Lazor can coach that out of him.
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I think it's more likely that Lazor realizes what he has and just tries to simplify the reads. More quick reads / 1 read or dump to the check down, which could often be the running back, or TE. Like the article said, if we can run up tempo, we could corner defenses into running less complex stuff which should help Tannehill. But I would be surprised to see any big evolution of his mental game at this point, even with his lack of experience, which is becoming less of an issue as time goes on. He will probably struggle throwing intermediate horizontal routes for most of his career for example. So you work with more verticals like we tried to do last year and I think they are still working on. I think this is the year they will probably try to coach him some things as is the case for any young QB...but I expect his numbers to improve more just because we will be working towards his strengths instead of coaches trying to see what he can and can't do. They know now, and plus Philbin's butt may be on the line this year so he wants to just win as much as possible. Development / patience time is over.

One mental aspect I will be interested in is now that he's running a more up tempo, mobile QB based, quick read offense that favors his strengths...whatever his level of play becomes, will it continue to diminish in the 4th quarter or will he be more comfortable than he was under Sherman and sustain his level of play later in games?
 
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That graph at the end alone is worth the read. I didn't realize that Tannehill struggled when attacking the middle.

Full disclosure: I'm pretty sure Barnwell hates the Dolphins
 
Good article...it acknowledged most of the handicaps he had to overcome.

I also think the lack of an effective running game to put him into good down and distance situations. The inability to pickup first downs and touchdowns running the ball, and, a porous run defense keeping the ball out of his hands added to the pressure he was forced cope with due to bad pass protect.

When these problems are fixed, we can then accurately assess Ryan Tannehill.

He doesn't have to have the leagues #1 defense or top #5 running game like Wilson enjoyed to assess him...just a team without the glaring flaws on the 2013 Dolphins
 
Despite Tannehill’s success on throws outside the pocket, the Dolphins didn’t really make rollouts and bootlegs a key component of their offense.

Wow, Sherman was a clown. Who defended this bum??
 
Good read. Are there any graphs like this for any other QBS? I'd like to see them:

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I follow Barnwell a lot and tend to agree with him more often than not. Really good article here and that chart was a pretty cool visual. If anything is going to hold Tannehill back it'll be a lack of key intangibles:
"football player"
"comeback gene" or "grit"
"leader"

As Barnwell says it too early to call it one way or the other right now but what I see is a supremely gifted athlete that's masquerading as a "football player." He's like the anti-Chad Pennington. Or Zach Thomas.

He's probably the type of athlete that's really good at anything he does but he's just missing that one ingrediant that allows certain people to go from good to great. I think a Tony Romo is what we should be hoping for at this point, and that might seem like a slight but with our defense and Philbin at head coach we would be doing some serious damage with Romo at QB.
 
I think I read somewhere that in college tannehills job was pretty much to hit the first read. if his HC from college became his OC in the NFL maybe he wasted too much time looking for his first read to come open instead of progression. I even think he had so much confidence in hartline that even if it wasn't his first read he still wanted to force him the ball because that was a comfy first read to him. not too mention he was playing for dear life last year. I think david carr had all the tools to be a great QB until his confidence was just shot. we don't need this to happen to tanne. if maybe he can get to look look look, checkdown then that will benefit him. if lazor can instill this in him than he is worth the contract he'll demand as an 8th picked player. checkdown chad was totally different. I think arm wise he had once of the best arms in the league, his thought process was just looooooooooooooooook, checkdown! I think tanne is look, hartline, sack. if lazor can get him to look 1, look 2, look1, look 3, checkdown without worrying that hes gonna get creamed than he did an awesome job
 
from what I have seen from thill is this he can do more than sit in pocket and get sack. some time he need run for first. like lazor said throw to back. his deep ball suck. he still is young qb. Our offensive need leader to take us to next level bad.. until then look for us having another 6-10 or 8-8 record... it like our oline got all blame for last yr, what happen to rb,te,and qb also..missing block.
 
This quote is interesting.
but in watching the Dolphins offense, the line was far more at fault for sacks during the first half of the campaign than during the second half. As Ron Jaworski noted while ranking Tannehill as the league’s 23rd-best quarterback heading into 2014, Tannehill seems to get stuck at times on his reads and holds on to the ball longer than he should in the hopes of making plays. That became more and more obvious as the season went along, although it’s clearly an issue for Tannehill on a regular basis.
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