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The Ricky Situation doesn't make any sense

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.......at least to me.......the Ricky Williams flirtation doesn't make any sense. Saban has been quoted as saying the man has value to this organization. Now one could read between those glaring lines and see that perhaps he's been saying that to lure him back in and and ship him out. What would we get shipped in though? Think about that? If Shaun Alexander and Edgerring James couldn't get shipped out, then why would Ricky? And for what? A 5th rounder? He's certainly not worth what was being asked for Edge and Shaun and IMO he's nowhere near worth a 2nd or 3rd rounder when you consider he's dropped a lot of weight, been out of football for over a year, won't be in any real effective playing form for at least a year (including suspensions) and proven to be a mental case regardless of what Wanny ever did to him.

So again I ask, what's the point? I understand that in the NFL these days you need 2 good RB's like you need 2 good QB's because of injuries that happen. Ricky's what, 27 or 28 now? The man's career is not going to hit primetime. All that's left for the man is to go downhill. It's not like we've got a Curtis Martin here, this is Ricky Williams we're talkin' about. Curtis Martin is a warrior. Ricky Martin errrrrrr Williams is a hasbeen.
 

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Was it the 1853 yards in 2002 behind the fins o-line that led u to believe he is a has been?
 

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Everyone thats seen Ricky over the last 6 months has said that hes barely 200lbs! With the way he runs he would get killed in the NFL at that weight!

Does anyone really think that we'll get anything more than a 4th or 5th rounder for him in a trade?

Ricky isn't coming back!
 

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Dolfan99 said:
Was it the 1853 yards in 2002 behind the fins o-line that led u to believe he is a has been?

Hmmmmmmmmmm 2002...............that was three years ago. That was a nice trip down memory lane though. Ricky is nearly three years older, 30 pounds lighter, and 30 errrrrr 3,000 marijuana joints deeper.
 

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There is either 1 of 2 things going on.

1. Either Ricky isnt coming back, sitting in India getting smashed on drugs and doesn't care about the money that he owes us.

2. He is over in India getting in shape to come back and play football without having to deal will all the media. The one thing about our new leadership is the fact that Saban doesnt care if he talks to the Media, and would rather him not. With Ricky in a new program where he doesn't have to talk to the media. I think the next time that he is seen may be the telling factor. If he looks bigger than he is probaby coming back to play if not well, you can probably count him out.

It would be very stupid business move to trade Ricky. We are not going to get the value out of him that he is worth when he is good. If he can come back and be a effective runner we all know there is alsmost nobody better than him when he is into it. Think about Ricky and Brown in the backfield. That would be a great combo if we could have it happen. We cant sit around and count on him to come back and be a 1000 yard rusher, but in the same time if he did come back every yard that he gets for us would be a bonus. We would have the most feared rushing combo in the NFL. Which would definatly open up the pass.
 

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Here's the way I see it...

First, Saban's flirtation is directed to recoup any possible value we might get from him, whether that be playing for us or being traded. Assuming (yeah, I know big assumption) that RW wants to come back, is allowed to come back, conforms to the league rules (drug program), gains back the muscle mass he has purportedly lost, works out a contract, etc, etc...here is how I see things happening...

He will come back in SC and have to work his way into shape, while continuing to gain back the muscle mass and get into "football" shape. He will (by all accounts) be suspended for the first 4 games. This will give him another month to continue to work back into shape. When he is reinstated from the suspension, he begins to share time with Brown..more than likely on 1st or 2nd down and mop-up time. This takes the load off of Brown. By late November, RW should be pretty much back to where he should be physically and can handle more of the RB load. Also at this time, Brown is starting to hit the rookie wall (beings his college season would for all intensive purposes be over except the bowl game). This allows Brown to ease into the last month of the season and regain his legs (and hopefully be fresher for the postseason).

Now...by the end of the season, RW has played in about 12 games, with a more substatial role towards the mid and end of the season...he will have shown that he has the desire again and regained respect around the league and some lost value for a possible trade after the season.

Of course, this is all speculation and wishful thinking on my part. This would be the absolute best case scenario for us and for RW...He gives us some quality play during the 2005 season, regains some respect around the league and we can then get better value for him...

This may be the scenario that Saban is thinking of as well. There are certainly a lot of things that are flawed with this situation, but this would be the best case for the Fins (and RW)...he repays the debt to the Fins and has some bargaining value with another team.
 

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FIREMEDIC822 said:
Thought this was something new....oops guess not. MERGE


Oh no...........I've disappointed firemedic822.......oh woe is me. :roflmao:
 

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PHINPHOURLIFE said:
its never gonna make any sense! just let it go! Saban is are coach, you are fan, let the man do his job!

........and you're a noob, so I'll let you continue to do your job of making off-kilter comments that I don't care about yet.
 

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enigmatics said:
Oh no...........I've disappointed firemedic822.......oh woe is me. :roflmao:

Its not about disappointing anybody, it is just the same old stuff. You are entitled to your opinion as is the "noob" as you called him. There is just 100 threads of the same people saying the same speculation and I hopes.
 

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LarryFinFan said:
Here's the way I see it...

First, Saban's flirtation is directed to recoup any possible value we might get from him, whether that be playing for us or being traded. Assuming (yeah, I know big assumption) that RW wants to come back, is allowed to come back, conforms to the league rules (drug program), gains back the muscle mass he has purportedly lost, works out a contract, etc, etc...here is how I see things happening...

He will come back in SC and have to work his way into shape, while continuing to gain back the muscle mass and get into "football" shape. He will (by all accounts) be suspended for the first 4 games. This will give him another month to continue to work back into shape. When he is reinstated from the suspension, he begins to share time with Brown..more than likely on 1st or 2nd down and mop-up time. This takes the load off of Brown. By late November, RW should be pretty much back to where he should be physically and can handle more of the RB load. Also at this time, Brown is starting to hit the rookie wall (beings his college season would for all intensive purposes be over except the bowl game). This allows Brown to ease into the last month of the season and regain his legs (and hopefully be fresher for the postseason).

Now...by the end of the season, RW has played in about 12 games, with a more substatial role towards the mid and end of the season...he will have shown that he has the desire again and regained respect around the league and some lost value for a possible trade after the season.

Of course, this is all speculation and wishful thinking on my part. This would be the absolute best case scenario for us and for RW...He gives us some quality play during the 2005 season, regains some respect around the league and we can then get better value for him...

This may be the scenario that Saban is thinking of as well. There are certainly a lot of things that are flawed with this situation, but this would be the best case for the Fins (and RW)...he repays the debt to the Fins and has some bargaining value with another team.

See that is the optimal scenario. Ricky's debt to the team isn't truly a debt. Don't get me wrong, I want to see him pay that back, but as far as it goes, Wayne's used to giving away signing bonuses and that 8.6 will not be missed all that much in the broad scope of things. If it were 80.6 then that would be a different story. The thing I don't see alot of people bringing up is Ricky's age factor and no matter what he does he's always going to go down as a malcontent. At this point in his career, there's really no use trying to resurrect him to gain something in trade value. He's too old now, it's not like he's 24 and making silly life choices.

........and for having him as a 1-2 combo with Brown? I personally don't want him anywhere near Ronny. Just seems like a pipe dream that Ricky could ever come in and provide a serious effect on this team. Alot of time has past, alot of things have changed. Football is starting to move on without Ricky.
 

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FIREMEDIC822 said:
Thought this was something new....oops guess not. MERGE

Sorry we should be crying about losing Poole for the season. :cry:

Is that better?
 
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