The same old Gus Frerotte?
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finfansince72
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We need the Qb of the future next offseason. Im not sure if this guy is even an improvement over Fiedler. I can understand why Saban didnt draft anyone early but it would have been nice to be grooming someone right now to take over. Frerotte/Feeley/Rosenfels are not a talented group to say the least.
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I think nearly everyone agrees that we should take a QB on the first draft day next year, or concentrate our efforts on Brees or Rivers during the offseason.
But I've been pleasantly surprised by Gus. We've always been in a position to win during the 4th quarter, and he's been deadly on the short passes. I've seem him underthrow seem deep hooks and that sort of thing will eventually translate into more interceptions later this season.
I was sorta surprised we didn't try to get Brock on the practice squad. With Feeley due to be cut, and Sage in his last year, at least we would've had somebody besides Gus for next year. Oh well
But I've been pleasantly surprised by Gus. We've always been in a position to win during the 4th quarter, and he's been deadly on the short passes. I've seem him underthrow seem deep hooks and that sort of thing will eventually translate into more interceptions later this season.
I was sorta surprised we didn't try to get Brock on the practice squad. With Feeley due to be cut, and Sage in his last year, at least we would've had somebody besides Gus for next year. Oh well
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finfansince72 said:
Gus is a huge improvement over Fiedler. Gus can make every throw there is...he won't complete them all but defenses have to honor the fact that HE CAN make every throw.
That was not true for Fiedler.
Gus is unpredictable and will throw more then a few deep passes a game just for the sake of throwing them up there. He puts the recievers is position to make plays. Defenses have to play the deep ball.
Fiedler and Gus are both "game management" type players. The difference is Gus manages the game AND tries to make plays down the field. He has'nt made the big mistake in three games.
Fiedler would "manage the game" but would make the big mistake and then have to dig the team out of it.
Gus is not a world beater by any stretch of the imagination. We need a Q.B. of the future.
That being said, when I see Gus step up and throw a 14 yard out pattern towards the other hashmark I am confident he'll get it there...when I saw Fiedler try that throw I was usually watching it go the other way for 6....
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unifiedtheory said:
Fiedler threw a lot of "ducks" too, and has half the throwing arm of Gus also. Gus misses every now and then but he is still definitly more accurate than Fiedler ever was and can make a big throw if needed, provide the big play or spark for the team, he can sling the ball around. He can also move the ball which is a really nice thing to see a qb do. Against Denver he had 275 yards. When was the last time you remeber Fiedler getting anywhere near 275 yards, I'd say once a blue moon. Gus has and can pass for that many yards, it just wasn't yards, he played well, he had a good passer rating in that game. The times that Miami moved the ball in the past, which wasn't that much, had more to do with Ricky Williams being such a great rb that he is and tearing up defenses, Jay just benefited from it. Ronnie Brown seems to have picked it up now, and we will probably see good games from him, plus Ricky will be back against Tampa, Gus will beneifit from that, but he still drive the team down the field by throwing, too.
The problem with not drafting last year is that this years draft class looks pretty slim. Also we are not going to be drafting at number 2. Now the jets as well as other teams will be willing to go after brees/rivers and thus prepare to pay through the nose. I think this was a mistake by Saban not drafting some good 3rd and 4th round qbs from last year. I think he his a great coach so don't attack me but I believe he over estimated the talent level at qb for this team.
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He will do that next draft, I think this next one will have a lot talent as far as qbs. A good draft for that, I think he wanted to see and evaluate what he had before jumping into any thing, or he found valubale players that were left in the 3rd or 4th round, (Channing Crowder). Next year there will definitly be a new qb on Miami whether from the draft or via FA Brees or Rivers.
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finfansince72 said:
same old gus is better than same old jay!
jay may throw more tds but he throws more ints!
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I don't know what everyone was expecting... the majority (and yes it actually was the majority sadly) thought Gus wouldn't even be able to beat out AJ. I'm talking back when listing Gus as our starting QB was "absurd". First the majority thought he wouldn't be able to beat out Feeley, then quite a few people were predicting him to have Rich Gannon type numbers (the 2002-2003 season). This is honestly where I expected Gus to be, infact even better than I had originally thought. We're 2-1 and that's all that counts. He has more TD's than INT's, he's not losing games for us and he's made some pretty big plays and throws for our team. This is an ALL AROUND TEAM EFFORT, Gus has been doing a great job assumingly the leading role for our Offense, I've been more than content with his performance thus far this season. Gus is not the future of this team, but he's showing why he was the best choice and that he deserves to be our starter. You know he's doing good when AJ lovers are jumping off that bandwagon, supporting Gus. By all means whatsoever, I HATE bandwagoners... but it's been great seeing the fans as well as the players supporting and rallying around Gus. That's exactly what we needed.
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Check it guys...... Gus is playing better than average. He's putting up identical numbers to Bulger, if you take in to consideration that Gus has thrown it about 20-30 less times than him. He's on pace for a 25- 30 TD / 15-20 INT Season.
I admit I had been pulling for Feeley the entire offseason, for a very good reason. Because AJ could have been our guy, Gus winning the job means we're gunna be looking for another QB again next year, and it could be a rook who takes forever to make an impact. Im not counting out the possibility that Gus goes down and AJ wins it all !!!!! However... Gus is our guy and he is getting the job done, we havent had a passing game like this since Dan. That Chambers TD was crazy, Gus was rolling backwards across the 50 and launched an off-balance BOMB sky high, it landed 50+ yards downfield into Chamber's hand(s). Right at the Pilon!! Wow
I admit I had been pulling for Feeley the entire offseason, for a very good reason. Because AJ could have been our guy, Gus winning the job means we're gunna be looking for another QB again next year, and it could be a rook who takes forever to make an impact. Im not counting out the possibility that Gus goes down and AJ wins it all !!!!! However... Gus is our guy and he is getting the job done, we havent had a passing game like this since Dan. That Chambers TD was crazy, Gus was rolling backwards across the 50 and launched an off-balance BOMB sky high, it landed 50+ yards downfield into Chamber's hand(s). Right at the Pilon!! Wow
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i dont know, its 3 games into the season, its a little early to be proclaiming Gus mistake free. He has a history of solid play for a few weeks then disasterous performances. This is why he always loses the starting jobs he gets. Gus isnt very accurate, don't know where thats coming from 51.8 isn't worth writing home about. 5.56 yards per pass isnt indictative of a guy going deep. 72 rating is very Fiedleresqe. We won games with Fiedler despite his poor performance, Gus may be a notch better but he isnt playing great and Im not getting excited about him. Gus is Gus, Gus will always be Gus and no team is winning anything significant with Gus.
Happy we are 2-1, hopefully Gus proves me wrong, just like I hoped for years Fiedler proved me wrong. Never happened. Mediocre Qbs get exposed over 16 games, its why guys like Fiedler and Gus are backup Qbs or should be.
Happy we are 2-1, hopefully Gus proves me wrong, just like I hoped for years Fiedler proved me wrong. Never happened. Mediocre Qbs get exposed over 16 games, its why guys like Fiedler and Gus are backup Qbs or should be.
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finfansince72 said:
yeah i wanted us to draft a QB also, because the longest process is developing a franchise QB... Everything else will be up and running quickly... but its gunna be another year before we can even start grooming someone. That could hold thins up. Smith was taken and Rodgers obviously wasn't worth the high pick like i thought he was, so who really were our choices from round 2 down ?
looks like there should be atleast a handful of first round quality Qbs next year.
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finfansince72 said:
Fiedler didn't have an NFL arm. Fiedler could not function in an offense like this one that places an emphasis on a downfield passing game. If you are not sure if "this guy" is an improvement over Fiedler then you are blind.
You are looking at statistics. Frerotte has also played against some pretty good defenses to this point.
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byroan said:
Same old Gus Ferrotte?
Well .... yeah.
He's not the answer. We need a long term solution but had and have other problems too. Next year. And maybe Gus stays on as a backup of the future for at least a few years.