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Per this point, there is more to production than just "the system." It alone is a very simplistic notion. Not everyone runs the system the same way. The play calling is different. The personnel are different. The execution is different. The culture, toughness, attitude, and all sorts of other stuff are also different.

 
Per this point, there is more to production than just "the system." It alone is a very simplistic notion. Not everyone runs the system the same way. The play calling is different. The personnel are different. The execution is different. The culture, toughness, attitude, and all sorts of other stuff are also different.


Yep. This just another point of what I was getting at with my reply to you in the Tua thread. As I said our O is just limited from a personal stand point. We are all speed, zero physicality and a poor OL. Can't run on 3rd and short and can't run consistently even thought it is light boxes always kinda boom or bust runs. I believe we lead the NFL in negative runs as well. We have a non physical OL, zero size or physicality at WR or RB. This is why we struggle against good teams they dominate the trenches. Like in the GB game, they generated 14 negative plays on D (9 TFL and 5 sacks) we had 3 negative plays (3 TFL). Getting negative plays gets Os behind the sticks and usually of the field.
 
Other than the retaining of Danny Crossman, my biggest issue with McDaniel has been his playcalling in 3rd and 4th and short - which people have vehemently argued with me about.

I’m a fan of McDaniel, but I’ve always thought we needed to run more in short yardage.

But maybe McDaniel knows we don’t have the horses to run it down the middle. Maybe his constant need to throw in short yardage is a silent cry for help.

Also, maybe Chris Grier sucks. And how the **** Danny Crossman still here?

(I’ve decided I’m going to sign off all my posts with that last paragraph until further notice)
 
Yep. This just another point of what I was getting at with my reply to you in the Tua thread. As I said our O is just limited from a personal stand point. We are all speed, zero physicality and a poor OL. Can't run on 3rd and short and can't run consistently even thought it is light boxes always kinda boom or bust runs. I believe we lead the NFL in negative runs as well. We have a non physical OL, zero size or physicality at WR or RB. This is why we struggle against good teams they dominate the trenches. Like in the GB game, they generated 14 negative plays on D (9 TFL and 5 sacks) we had 3 negative plays (3 TFL). Getting negative plays gets Os behind the sticks and usually of the field.
well said. i am starting to wonder if mcdaniel is not as responsible as grier is for how the personnel is architected? this i think is what mcdaniel wants - all about speed and lateral movement.
 
well said. i am starting to wonder if mcdaniel is not as responsible as grier is for how the personnel is architected? this i think is what mcdaniel wants - all about speed and lateral movement.
Grier's on record saying he gives the HC what he wants...so its McD...then again, it could be Grier for being such a wuss.
 
Don't know for sure here but the GM is supposed to draft or sign the players the Coach wants. When the GM say's at a PC that "we are less worried about the OL than you might be" I assume that they both are on board with their decisions. We know almost for certain that the relaxed training camp has contributed to the league wide assertion that the Phins are a 'soft team'. We can argue the point but teams seem to have the attitude that they can bully us. We have players who do not play soft, ever, like Sieler but they seem to know that we can't push them off the line. We have to play hide and seek with the OL running in different direction to get a gap to exploit. This offense either explodes or implodes seemingly dependent on luck.
It bothers the *hit out of me, that's when were getting waxed and our HC is standing there looking like a bully has stolen his ice cream cone and there not a damn thing he can do about it. He has the 'deer in the headlights' look. Come on man!! Chew on somebody, draw up a play in the dirt, try something different to break the spell.
 
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Maybe winning isn't the main priority as much as keeping obsessive fans talking? In that way, Eichenberg isn't the issue...the lack of an exciting name at WR3 is.

I think the fans are sometimes as guilty as the front office in ignoring this stuff. When someone looks at the RG and RT issues and says, 'you can't run the offense at all due to this fundamental instability' and no one really cares much, instead opting to turn the thread into something about McDaniel not being a leader, Flores being a bad hire, Fangio leaving or Tua being responsible for all the losses...I'm just not sure how much sympathy you ought to grant the fans. The fans are part of the problem and in many ways the front office reacts to what they know will conjure support and media plays along accepting of moves like the Tyreek Hill trade. I remember well Chris Koufman himself going on and on about how the '21 offense was going to be "uncoverable" with Parker, Fuller, Wilson, Waddle and Gesicki all lining up together. Fans want to believe.

This year the fans were happy to obsess about OBJ as the new WR3. I don't think they want this team for focus on OL. I don't think they're capable of going into a season thinking 'we're .500 at best because we have obvious, glaring weaknesses that will repeatedly get exposed.' The amount of emotion around here makes it clear that many expected '24 to present us with a competitive team making some sort of Playoff run.

This is why I don't consider myself a "fan" of the Dolphins. I'm an observer at this point. I'll be a fan when they start building the team I prefer they build.

I don't really approve of who the Dolphins currently are at their core. I would've taken Sewell. I wouldn't have traded 14 picks away across the '22 and '23 drafts. I wouldn't have extended Tua with his inability to stay on the field. I wouldn't have traded a war chest for Tyreek, who despite his greatness is a WR.

It's great the team made the '22 season exciting but we're basically rebuilding again and few would've chose to go about things as Ross, Grier and McDaniel did.

I want to root for a team led by strong, consistent defense and a commitment to a physical offense (powered by a good OL) wherein someone like Tua could be a game-changer not unlike what Russell Wilson was for the Seattle Seahawks. I want to see us look at the draft more seriously. I want us to stop trading picks.

I think the Dolphins are just sort of stupid. And like a stupid person it's hard to root for them or feel sorry for them when their actions are the cause of their own downfall.

Or maybe I'm just feeling pessimistic today, LOL.
 
But maybe McDaniel knows we don’t have the horses to run it down the middle. Maybe his constant need to throw in short yardage is a silent cry for help.

Also, maybe Chris Grier sucks. And how the **** Danny Crossman still here?
I'm sure he knows it

and no fkn idea on Crossman. Routinely terrible. Man how I miss Darren Rizzi
 
I'm sure he knows it

and no fkn idea on Crossman. Routinely terrible. Man how I miss Darren Rizzi
rizzi is a head coach now too, and i think they are playing a bit better under him. is interesting that a few special teams guys have become good hc's. i think harbaugh is another one. shows you the job just isn't about being a glorified coordinator. organizational and leadership skills matter. special teams coaches can have those skills, and they may be some of the most important of skills.
 
Per this point, there is more to production than just "the system." It alone is a very simplistic notion. Not everyone runs the system the same way. The play calling is different. The personnel are different. The execution is different. The culture, toughness, attitude, and all sorts of other stuff are also different.


Mcvay plays a lot more Man vs zone on short yardage and has the line to do it they probably average around 335#s.
 
Our Oline sucks but when Armstead has a bad day like last week, it REALLY sucks.

Oh, and Chris Brooks is now the #2 back in Green Bay, a lot of us thought he wasn't "soft"
 
Don't know for sure here but the GM is supposed to draft or sign the players the Coach wants. I assume when the GM say's at a PC that "we are less worried about the OL than you might be" I assume that they both are on board with their decisions. We know almost for certain that the relaxed training camp has contributed to the league wide assertion that the Phins are a 'soft team'. We can argue the point but teams seem to have the attitude that they can bully us. We have players who do not play soft, ever, like Sieler but they seem to know that we can't push them off the line. We have to play hide and seek with the OL running in different direction to get a gap to exploit. This offense either explodes or implodes seemingly dependent on luck.
It bothers the *hit out of me, that's when were getting waxed and our HC is standing there looking like a bully has stolen his ice cream cone and there not a damn thing he can do about it. He has the 'deer in the headlights' look. Come on man!! Chew on somebody, draw up a play in the dirt, try something different to break the spell.
100%
 
well said. i am starting to wonder if mcdaniel is not as responsible as grier is for how the personnel is architected? this i think is what mcdaniel wants - all about speed and lateral movement.
It may be. Really hard to know for sure. I am on the fire them both.

With that said Grier absolutely can not stay. It is fine for a GM to listen to the advice of their HC and they absolutely should, but it is also their job to protect the HC from certain things. There is a reason HC that are also GMs tend to fail. Job is to big. A HC needs to be focused on the team in the room. GM is supposed to lead up all the scouting and everything outside the room and should have the final say on personal. If Grier is just letting the HC make all the decisions, what the hell is even his job. Also sometimes good GMs will step in and make certain decisions about staff and roles of staff. A HC coach can sometimes be attached to a coach even if he is failing at his job, a GM needs to be able to step in and tell the HC we are making a change at OC (or whatever position) and if you don't like it well we can always make a change at HC. Or maybe in McDaniels case, Grier needs to step in and say look Mike we are having playcalling issues, it may be time to change it uo and let X do it.

There has been cases like these across the NFL/college were the GM/AD has hade to step in and make a HC make some changes. Some work out, some don't, but better to be proactive.

Considering our owner is basically not involved in day to day football, I think we need a strong GM to run this damn thing.
 
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