Class act Marino. Thank you for supplying us with so much entertainment in this year's Finheaven March Madness competition. You are awesome. I'm sure Mike Gesicki fans and detractors alike can agree on that.
Class act Marino. Thank you for supplying us with so much entertainment in this year's Finheaven March Madness competition. You are awesome. I'm sure Mike Gesicki fans and detractors alike can agree on that.
I mean, I’ve watched all their targets. Andrews was better. More impressive work. Could change in the future, who knows. But round one clearly goes to Andrews.
I edited down this quote to highlight the points I wanted to discuss, hope that's OK @superphin .How can anyone properly judge a rookie TE (who historically struggle their 1st years) in the offense we fielded last year? …
We ran the fewest plays in Dolphin history in a 16 game schedule, you would have to go back to the 70's when they only played 14 games to find fewer plays ran by a Dolphin offense. You have to go back to 2007 when we 1-15 to find a season since 2000 in which our leading WR failed to break 600 yards. We sucked which makes it hard to evaluate anyone.
There's some impressive stuff in Dallas Goedert's work from 2018. But most of what he did was pretty much handed to him.
There was not much to be impressed by in Mike Gesicki's 2018 work, unfortunately. I was a fan of his coming out, I still think he could be a good player, but it is what it is.
Mark Andrews did something impressive from a football standpoint nearly every time he caught the ball.
Can’t imagine we’re watching different film but I saw the opposite in both.
Andrews likes to jump over defenders...very Gesickiesque to the same point running through the defender would have gotten just as many yards. He did very little after the catch. Very few broken tackles; more often than not, taking just 1 DB to bring him down. He falls down after the catch or runs out of bounds on most catches without any effort to stay in. I don’t see the extra effort.
Goedert doing stuff on screens, after the catch, breaking tackles, spin moves. Making football moves that gain extra yards. Creating more.
I think sometimes you’re too analytical for your own good. Might be a scatoma of yours.
I guess we’ll see...PFF has Goedert rated higher too, but everyone should go with your opinion.
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Well, it's like I said before - the Eagles know how to use their TE's. They know how to scheme them open and get production out of the position. The Dolphins are not even playing the same sport when you break down the film of what they're doing.
Miami is going to have to manufacture production for their TE's, especially Gesicki. You have to scheme him open against zones. You can't isolate him and count on him to win - he's not physical and has poor balance. And he'll always not be physical and have poor balance.
The Eagles were able to scheme Goedert open via formations and personnel packages that prevented defenses from being able to play man against them. They attacked one defender in zone with two tight ends such as a 5 wide look but out of a 12 personnel package. They forced defenses to convert their man intentions to zone by spreading them out horizontally, and the isolated defender had to make a choice and couldn't be right. Miami was incapable of doing that under Gase. But changing coaches or schemes still doesn't change Gesicki's poor physicality, balance, and playing instincts.
You can improve production simply by increasing opportunities and targets. But it still doesn't mean improvement was made in terms of traits.
Most of the best athletes ever tested at the combine simply didn't turn out to be good football players.
I think Miami's new coaches know all this the same way. They'll know how to use their TE's and know what they want at the position. And players like Hockenson and Warring would certainly be a priority if I were making the decisions. These new coaches know they have to acquire players like that at the TE position. They're not magicians. They're football coaches. Like chefs, they need the correct ingredients to make the best dish possible.
Can’t imagine we’re watching different film but I saw the opposite in both.
Andrews likes to jump over defenders...very Gesickiesque to the same point running through the defender would have gotten just as many yards. He did very little after the catch. Very few broken tackles; more often than not, taking just 1 DB to bring him down. He falls down after the catch or runs out of bounds on most catches without any effort to stay in. I don’t see the extra effort.
Goedert doing stuff on screens, after the catch, breaking tackles, spin moves. Making football moves that gain extra yards. Creating more.
I think sometimes you’re too analytical for your own good. Might be a scatoma of yours.