This guy's too old, that guy is too expensive, don't sign the other guy....

[Lenny]

I see this in every single thread these days.

Alot of people here apparently think that unless a player is under 26 years old he's not worth having.....and then he's only worth having at a salary that's well below market value.

I understand the whole "build through the draft" mentality, and it has it's merits, however, we can't draft 22 guys this year.

We went 1-15 last year, mostly because most of the players on that team SUCKED. They need to be replaced, and most of them will be replaced with free agents.

Also, you don't get "rollover minutes" on the salary cap, not spending money this year when you don't think you'll be competitive won't give you more money to spend later when you think you will be competitive.

Guys like Flozell Adams, Alan Faneca, etc would be ENORMOUS upgrades over the players we had last year. We need quality players and lots of them.....can we please stop obsessing over the fact that if you sign a 30+ year old guy today he won't be here for the 5 consecutive super bowl appearances you hope we'll make a couple years from now?

I mean jeez, half a dozen people have started threads saying John Beck is too old because by the time he matures he won't be able to give you 15+ years of great quarterbacking.

It's a little ridiculous IMO.

 

[juicifer1269]

I see this in every single thread these days.

Alot of people here apparently think that unless a player is under 26 years old he's not worth having.....and then he's only worth having at a salary that's well below market value.

I understand the whole "build through the draft" mentality, and it has it's merits, however, we can't draft 22 guys this year.

We went 1-15 last year, mostly because most of the players on that team SUCKED. They need to be replaced, and most of them will be replaced with free agents.

Also, you don't get "rollover minutes" on the salary cap, not spending money this year when you don't think you'll be competitive won't give you more money to spend later when you think you will be competitive.

Guys like Flozell Adams, Alan Faneca, etc would be ENORMOUS upgrades over the players we had last year. We need quality players and lots of them.....can we please stop obsessing over the fact that if you sign a 30+ year old guy today he won't be here for the 5 consecutive super bowl appearances you hope we'll make a couple years from now?

I mean jeez, half a dozen people have started threads saying John Beck is too old because by the time he matures he won't be able to give you 15+ years of great quarterbacking.

It's a little ridiculous IMO.

:goodpost:Great post. I agree 100%.

 

[testtubetimmy]

I agree. Look at NE. They got Randy Moss and Welker last year. Talk about great free agent/trade acquisitions.

We need both. Thats what will build a great team. Good decisions by the front office on who we draft and who we acquire. Everyone on this team must be ready to play and play well. Regardless how they got here.

 

[TurkishFin99]

Nice post:up:

 

[SE Idaho dolfan]

Thank you Lenny. Every player on the Patsies is a old codger and look at the season they "almost" :sidelol: pulled off. The team is in great hands now. Can't wait to see the moves begin. We will be 800% better this year if not more and we will do it with a blend of FA and draft.

 

[SR 7]

I see this in every single thread these days.

Alot of people here apparently think that unless a player is under 26 years old he's not worth having.....and then he's only worth having at a salary that's well below market value.

I understand the whole "build through the draft" mentality, and it has it's merits, however, we can't draft 22 guys this year.

We went 1-15 last year, mostly because most of the players on that team SUCKED. They need to be replaced, and most of them will be replaced with free agents.

Also, you don't get "rollover minutes" on the salary cap, not spending money this year when you don't think you'll be competitive won't give you more money to spend later when you think you will be competitive.

Guys like Flozell Adams, Alan Faneca, etc would be ENORMOUS upgrades over the players we had last year. We need quality players and lots of them.....can we please stop obsessing over the fact that if you sign a 30+ year old guy today he won't be here for the 5 consecutive super bowl appearances you hope we'll make a couple years from now?

I mean jeez, half a dozen people have started threads saying John Beck is too old because by the time he matures he won't be able to give you 15+ years of great quarterbacking.

It's a little ridiculous IMO.

CHAACHINNGGG! great stuff. I am not alone in this world :)

 

[Fin Fan in Cali]

I see this in every single thread these days.

Alot of people here apparently think that unless a player is under 26 years old he's not worth having.....and then he's only worth having at a salary that's well below market value.

I understand the whole "build through the draft" mentality, and it has it's merits, however, we can't draft 22 guys this year.

We went 1-15 last year, mostly because most of the players on that team SUCKED. They need to be replaced, and most of them will be replaced with free agents.

Also, you don't get "rollover minutes" on the salary cap, not spending money this year when you don't think you'll be competitive won't give you more money to spend later when you think you will be competitive.

Guys like Flozell Adams, Alan Faneca, etc would be ENORMOUS upgrades over the players we had last year. We need quality players and lots of them.....can we please stop obsessing over the fact that if you sign a 30+ year old guy today he won't be here for the 5 consecutive super bowl appearances you hope we'll make a couple years from now?

I mean jeez, half a dozen people have started threads saying John Beck is too old because by the time he matures he won't be able to give you 15+ years of great quarterbacking.

It's a little ridiculous IMO.

If you are tired of the same threads, then join VIP for 36.00 bucks a year. You will not have this problem any more.:up:

 

[3rdandinches]

I agree 100% we can balance high priced FA's with role players and draft picks to be in great shape next year. The only thing about comparing our situation with what's going on in New England is they got talented with solid drafts and alot of mid level FA's, it's only then that they've been able to fill in holes with high priced FA's and old desperate players dreaming of that one last chance to win it all.

 

[Lenny]

I agree 100% we can balance high priced FA's with role players and draft picks to be in great shape next year. The only thing about comparing our situation with what's going on in New England is they got talented with solid drafts and alot of mid level FA's, it's only then that they've been able to fill in holes with high priced FA's and old desperate players dreaming of that one last chance to win it all.

I don't know what I think about being in "great shape" next year, but you're right about the mid-level free agents.
Finding those mid-priced guys that fit into your system well is key to being successful. You can't have a superstar at every position, there aren't enough superstars to go around.

One of those mid-priced guys is Michael Lehan...who I saw several people in another thread say "$5M over 3 years is way too much for a 3rd CB....there are lots of good CB's in the draft"
I'm like WTF?!?!?!?

 

[SarahAnn]

If you are tired of the same threads, then join VIP for 36.00 bucks a year. You will not have this problem any more.:up:

No thanks, I'm all for donating and VIP sections but $36 a year is asking for a bit much imo.

Anyways, I'm not exactly in agreement with this. As you point out a team can't draft 22 players through one draft, however that doesnt mean they cant draft the key positions then fill the rest with "rent-a-players" for the next season then draft more the following season. Yes we will have to fill a few positions with free agents but that doesnt mean we have to go after big money players who did well the previous season (contract season) only to have them return to their underperforming ways.

 

[Lenny]

No thanks, I'm all for donating and VIP sections but $36 a year is asking for a bit much imo.

Anyways, I'm not exactly in agreement with this. As you point out a team can't draft 22 players through one draft, however that doesnt mean they cant draft the key positions then fill the rest with "rent-a-players" for the next season then draft more the following season. Yes we will have to fill a few positions with free agents but that doesnt mean we have to go after big money players who did well the previous season (contract season) only to have them return to their underperforming ways.

Thanks for your opinion, you obviously put some thought into it unlike alot of the other stuff I've read in other threads lately.

I disagree with you a little bit.

You don't want to pigeon-hole yourself into having to "fill a need" in the draft, because then you end up reaching and not taking the best player available. That's a recipe for disaster in the long term.

Also, I agree with not paying for a guy who only did well in his contract year, but most of the players we've been having these discussions about are solid all the way up to spectacular year in and year out. (Flozell Adams, Alan Faneca, etc)

 

[SR 7]

If you are tired of the same threads, then join VIP for 36.00 bucks a year. You will not have this problem any more.:up:

Ya then hes goin to have all those dudes tellin him off n saying building thru the draft is the only way possible or as boomer said "why would u sign faneca to that money if he can only play for 3-4 years while we are rebuilding" well you gotta start SOMEWHERE. Its either 36 bucks ng et bashed on for saying FA is ALSO a good way to build or come on free n get the same situation.

 

[Dolfan1000]

This is what I have been trying to say all along. Wonderful post.

So true.

 

[DefensiveEnd76]

A Championship team needs the perfect blend of talented veterans along with blue chip young guys with upside.

 

[zach8111]

I see this in every single thread these days.

Alot of people here apparently think that unless a player is under 26 years old he's not worth having.....and then he's only worth having at a salary that's well below market value.

I understand the whole "build through the draft" mentality, and it has it's merits, however, we can't draft 22 guys this year.

We went 1-15 last year, mostly because most of the players on that team SUCKED. They need to be replaced, and most of them will be replaced with free agents.

Also, you don't get "rollover minutes" on the salary cap, not spending money this year when you don't think you'll be competitive won't give you more money to spend later when you think you will be competitive.

Guys like Flozell Adams, Alan Faneca, etc would be ENORMOUS upgrades over the players we had last year. We need quality players and lots of them.....can we please stop obsessing over the fact that if you sign a 30+ year old guy today he won't be here for the 5 consecutive super bowl appearances you hope we'll make a couple years from now?

I mean jeez, half a dozen people have started threads saying John Beck is too old because by the time he matures he won't be able to give you 15+ years of great quarterbacking.

It's a little ridiculous IMO.

i dont agree totally with that statement. your team is going to suck if 11 of your guys are on IR, and most of them were key players in our defense, ie. Zach Thomas and Ronnie, starting QB Most of our safeties, a lot of our RB's and we traded our best QB weapon during the season in chambers. however i do agree that a lot of people on our team do stink and potential doesnt win games and we do have to get some key guy through FA. you cant get all the guys through the draft. but you should get the main position players, that you build your franchise around, in the draft ie. OLine D-Line CB LB (FA on is probably needed, especially in a 3-4) WR (also a FA one is probably needed, I like bryant johnson) maybe TE. i think QB (at least for next year. have to give beck a shot.) RB, we agre set at for next year. Besides a FA backup QB