This is intresting, PFF's average time to pass chart.

[Mike13]

http://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/2ji1zi/average_time_to_pass_attempt_chart/

Click on the link for a bigger version.

 

[J. David Wannyheimer]

One thing worth pointing out, that CK mentioned to me when we discussed this last year, is that PFF's 'time to sack' is based on when the whistle blows, not when the QB gets hit. In some cases that's close to a second after the QB hits the ground. So there's that. The rest of those numbers are accurate, I think.

 

[So Be]

One thing worth pointing out, that CK mentioned to me when we discussed this last year, is that PFF's 'time to sack' is based on when the whistle blows, not when the QB gets hit. In some cases that's close to a second after the QB hits the ground. So there's that. The rest of those numbers are accurate, I think.

Not sure how else you can do it as sometimes a QB is hit but escapes, and others he is in the grasp or not in the grasp. In any case, it is the same for all QB's to fairly compare.

 

[J. David Wannyheimer]

Not sure how else you can do it as sometimes a QB is hit but escapes, and others he is in the grasp or not in the grasp. In any case, it is the same for all QB's to fairly compare.

NNNot necessarily. A QB like Big Ben or Cam Newton doesn't go down as quickly, whereas Tom Brady can get very quick whistles. :)

I'm just saying, that's something to keep in mind when you look at the time to sack statistic. In general, I think PFF's in-depth stats are excellent, and much more useful than their player grades.

 

[hoops]

One thing worth pointing out, that CK mentioned to me when we discussed this last year, is that PFF's 'time to sack' is based on when the whistle blows, not when the QB gets hit. In some cases that's close to a second after the QB hits the ground. So there's that. The rest of those numbers are accurate, I think.

if thats the case its one of the dumbest things i've ever heard of

 

[J. David Wannyheimer]

if thats the case its one of the dumbest things i've ever heard of

It definitely makes it a less useful statistic, but it's because it'd be hard to go through every single snap and consistently come up with a way to determine when the QB actually takes the sack. But the reason I bring it up is because, for instance, there was a sack last season, maybe against the Saints? that Daniel Thomas blew his blocking assignment and Tannehill got crushed before he could even finish his drop. We actually had a video posted that synced up the sacks with a clock and it was something like 2.05 seconds after dropback that he got a blitzer in his gut with a full head of steam, and PFF said the time to sack was like 3 seconds, because that's when the whistle blew.

That said, the time to throw is 100% accurate.

 

[So Be]

It definitely makes it a less useful statistic, but it's because it'd be hard to go through every single snap and consistently come up with a way to determine when the QB actually takes the sack. But the reason I bring it up is because, for instance, there was a sack last season, maybe against the Saints? that Daniel Thomas blew his blocking assignment and Tannehill got crushed before he could even finish his drop. We actually had a video posted that synced up the sacks with a clock and it was something like 2.05 seconds after dropback that he got a blitzer in his gut with a full head of steam, and PFF said the time to sack was like 3 seconds, because that's when the whistle blew.

That said, the time to throw is 100% accurate.

Agree that there is a margin of error but, as you say there is no better way to do it. A play is not over until the whistle blows. We could go back and dissect every sack, with an opinion on if it was a quick whistle or too slow, and when the QB was actually in the grasp, etc. That would make anyone crazy.

 

[SoCal Finatic]

Interesting stat. I think the scrambling QB's add time by running around, so they should be kind of taken out of the equation. Overall though, any QB looks great with more time to make reads. Tom Brady's first decade of play he stood like a statue back there with all day to throw. Infuriating.

Also, look at Russell Wilson's dropbacks, 76. Hahaha that's almost the lowest on the list. I wish we could win games by never having to pass.

 

[So Be]

Interesting stat. I think the scrambling QB's add time by running around, so they should be kind of taken out of the equation. Overall though, any QB looks great with more time to make reads. Tom Brady's first decade of play he stood like a statue back there with all day to throw. Infuriating.

Also, look at Russell Wilson's dropbacks, 76. Hahaha that's almost the lowest on the list. I wish we could win games by never having to pass.

Can we bring back Butch & Sundance, along with Mercury? Greise and Warfield can come along as well. :)

 

[roy_miami]

Interesting stat. I think the scrambling QB's add time by running around, so they should be kind of taken out of the equation. Overall though, any QB looks great with more time to make reads. Tom Brady's first decade of play he stood like a statue back there with all day to throw. Infuriating.

Also, look at Russell Wilson's dropbacks, 76. Hahaha that's almost the lowest on the list. I wish we could win games by never having to pass.

That doesn't mean he never has to pass. Thats dropbacks in the 2.5 second or less category, 45% of his passes fall into that category, which probably has something to do with the fact he's a scrambling QB. He has the second highest completion percentage in that category too just behind Rivers, pretty impressive if you ask me.

He's also been sacked twice in less than 2.5 seconds. Poor Big Ben been sacked 6 times in that time, ouch!

 

[J. David Wannyheimer]

QBs known for their ability to improvise and make plays outside of the pocket typically have much higher sack rates. Russell Wilson has the highest career sack rate out of all active starting QBs last time I checked, with Big Ben coming in right behind him, and Kaepernick also not far behind.

Peyton Manning has the lowest. Rivers is about the next lowest, IIRC.

 

[roy_miami]

QBs known for their ability to improvise and make plays outside of the pocket typically have much higher sack rates. Russell Wilson has the highest career sack rate out of all active starting QBs last time I checked, with Big Ben coming in right behind him, and Kaepernick also not far behind.

Peyton Manning has the lowest. Rivers is about the next lowest, IIRC.

I would guess the ones in the 2.5 second or less category don't have much to do with scrambling though.

 

[J. David Wannyheimer]

I can't stop laughing at the fact that Peyton Manning doesn't even have a 'to scramble' entry.

 

[roy_miami]

I can't stop laughing at the fact that Peyton Manning doesn't even have a 'to scramble' entry.

Austin Davis doesn't either. Weird that he's high on the list in time to sack with all the scrambling type QBs but he doesn't scramble at all.