This roster is a sham. We were sold a bill of goods that is a fraud.

[nerfball]

Starting with the offensive line, this roster top to bottom has very few players able to make an impact in games. How often do you sit there during a game and think, "will someone just make a ****ing play here, we need it!" and it never comes. There is some talent and you'll see the occasional flash, but few guys are good enough to do it consistently. They're just OK/decent players for the most part, nothing special and this all comes out in the wash in the end with the 8-8 records.

The defense was also over sold and hyped. They have a too many deficiencies and not enough depth to be a dominant unit. I don't know whats happened to the defensive line players, did Wake just get old all of a sudden? Are there injuries there we don't know about? Are guys just getting fat on their bloated salaries? But even if they start playing better up front, the linebackers are for the most part mediocre at best and the secondary is kind of weak even considering Grimes and Jones. I mean, who else besides those two can make a play back there on a consistent basis?

I think Campbell will make a difference because I expect his energy on the sideline during games will be a welcomed change from the comatose Philbin. I hope Campbell will get in a couple faces and call some people out. Just maybe that means something to these guys and getting embarrassed in front of teammates is what they need to shake off this funk. You'd think that pride might kick in after a while, but maybe being a millionaire and living in South Florida I figure washes away a lot of the sting of losing?

I hope Dan Campbell performs well, I wish him well, but I fear he's only got so much to work with.

 

[ANUFan]

^^^cant disagree!


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[Taysia]

I don't think the roster is a sham, I think there was low expectations set and no one was held accountable for their poor performance.

 

[TeeMoney]

Put "hope" in one hand and "crap" in the other and which one fills first? That is what happened to this team, it was built on the hope of D Thomas, Turner, and Douglas or other retreads. The Defense was built on the hope of Misi and Sheppard, McCain and Suh in the front and hope for Aikens, Taylor or a McCain.

For this team the crap hand filled first.

 

[nerfball]

I don't think the roster is a sham, I think there was low expectations set and no one was held accountable for their poor performance.

Umm, no. From the beginning they said the expectation this year was to make the playoffs, that was clear. That's not setting low expectations. Not being accountable might be a different story.

 

[ANUFan]

I don't think the roster is a sham, I think there was low expectations set and no one was held accountable for their poor performance.

If we're being honest with ourselves we can count the "real" talent on this team on 1 hand...maybe 2 fingers of the second hand. Not sometimes talent...I mean all the time talent.

On offense:
Jordan Cameron
Jarvis Landry

On defense:
Grimes
Suh
Jones

 

[russianbear]

I think we have plenty of talent on this team.

Wake, Suh, Vernon, grimes, jones, miller, Landry?

We have a good group of players who can all make plays to impact games. They weren't showing up, they weren't executing, and in large part I blame that on a coach who didn't prepare them mentally or physically for Sundays and continuously failed to put them in positions to best utilize their skill-sets.

It's easy in hindsight (1-3) to say, oh our team doesn't have talent now and we were just stupid to think they did. If this team was 3-1 we'd be relishing about how we had all this talent and are finally playing up to potential. The truth is our franchise has a poison in it and the only cure is finding a way to win, and continually draft well. I'm hoping Campbell can contribute towards that success, but don't cop out and just blame it on the roster. There have been much less talented teams to accomplish more and much more talented teams accomplishing less.

 

[jim1]

Plenty of other issues, but this is what happens when you ignore the offensive line. Not enough talent, worst Guards in the NFL and injuries with no depth. Guards do matter, lousy Guard play and Alberts injury= no ground game and Tannehill running for his life. Hopefully Billy Turner can step in and improve things.

 

[gofins60]

Scheme has a lot to do with it. Philbin took over a Top 5 rushing defense and hired Coyle. They changed the schemes in their 1st season and the rushing defense has dropped in the rankings every year. Although not all of the players are stars, there is some talent on this team but Philbin and his staff were poor talent evaluators who stubbornly refused to change their schemes to get the most out of their players. This is a big reason why Free Agents who did well elsewhere come to Miami and suck. Example: Philbin had Incognito and Jerry at guard. Cogs was an idiot who needed a babysitter to keep him out of trouble, but at least he could play. However, Philbin wanted different blocking schemes and they didn't fit in so they're gone. How did that work out? Miami now has the worst guards in the league, all because Philbin refused to adapt to fit the players he had. Now I realize that Cogs and Jerry aren't the best but they're much better than Miami's current guards, and that's after Philbin had 4 offseasons to build a line.

Ross can cry all he wants that he expects to see a playoff team, but he is the one at fault here. He is personally responsible for hiring Philbin, keeping Philbin, and not giving the GM or VP the power to fire Philbin. Philbin was probably the worst possible choice for Head Coach, and it will take years to undo the damage that he (with help from an inept Front Office) has done to this team. I'm all for blowing everything up after the season is over and starting from scratch... but hopefully with a new GM and HC who actually know what they're doing (and will do the opposite of what Philbin did).

 

[Taysia]

Umm, no. From the beginning they said the expectation this year was to make the playoffs, that was clear. That's not setting low expectations. Not being accountable might be a different story.

Saying and following through is a totally different thing. You can talk all day, but if people are not held accountable, then it's just talk.

 

[Daytona Fin]

Starting with the offensive line, this roster top to bottom has very few players able to make an impact in games. How often do you sit there during a game and think, "will someone just make a ****ing play here, we need it!" and it never comes. There is some talent and you'll see the occasional flash, but few guys are good enough to do it consistently. They're just OK/decent players for the most part, nothing special and this all comes out in the wash in the end with the 8-8 records.

The defense was also over sold and hyped. They have a too many deficiencies and not enough depth to be a dominant unit. I don't know whats happened to the defensive line players, did Wake just get old all of a sudden? Are there injuries there we don't know about? Are guys just getting fat on their bloated salaries? But even if they start playing better up front, the linebackers are for the most part mediocre at best and the secondary is kind of weak even considering Grimes and Jones. I mean, who else besides those two can make a play back there on a consistent basis?

You forgot to read the fine print on this team. Many of us did so don't feel like you are alone. There were many question marks on the team from the start but we overlooked, for example, the notion that the addition of Suh would mask the linebacker discrepancies or the injury prone Albert would be healthy and not make the line total disaster in his absence. Most of us new Philbin was a terrible coach but figured the roster we were "sold" would overcome him. Unfortunately the fine print we overlooked is/will be our demise.

 

[nerfball]

I think we have plenty of talent on this team.

Wake, Suh, Vernon, grimes, jones, miller, Landry?

We have a good group of players who can all make plays to impact games. They weren't showing up, they weren't executing, and in large part I blame that on a coach who didn't prepare them mentally or physically for Sundays and continuously failed to put them in positions to best utilize their skill-sets.

It's easy in hindsight (1-3) to say, oh our team doesn't have talent now and we were just stupid to think they did. If this team was 3-1 we'd be relishing about how we had all this talent and are finally playing up to potential. The truth is our franchise has a poison in it and the only cure is finding a way to win, and continually draft well. I'm hoping Campbell can contribute towards that success, but don't cop out and just blame it on the roster. There have been much less talented teams to accomplish more and much more talented teams accomplishing less.

Sorry, wholeheartedly disagree. This is not a cop out, but an honest look in the mirror. They have not even competitive against what looks to be just barely better than average teams like the Jets and Bills. Even if you account for the bad coaching, that still leaves a large gap to fill in as to why that is. Are you telling me 3 games into this season all these guys simply gave up or refused to give a full effort just because they didn't like the coach? What kind of professionalism is that then? What's that say about the character and make up of this team?

Yes, maybe Lamar Miller can show more than he has, but without the talent up front to block he simply can't. Vernon? Wake? What have they done this year to make you put them on a list of consistent talent/impact players? Suh is taking the usual double-teams, yet they can't beat 1-1's, against just average players? The offensive units we have gone up[ against so far are not exactly considered top tier and the QB talent for these offenses has also been average. Yet, the Miami defense is being dominated. But, right, its all coaching.

 

[Taysia]

I think we have plenty of talent on this team.

Wake, Suh, Vernon, grimes, jones, miller, Landry?

We have a good group of players who can all make plays to impact games. They weren't showing up, they weren't executing, and in large part I blame that on a coach who didn't prepare them mentally or physically for Sundays and continuously failed to put them in positions to best utilize their skill-sets.

It's easy in hindsight (1-3) to say, oh our team doesn't have talent now and we were just stupid to think they did. If this team was 3-1 we'd be relishing about how we had all this talent and are finally playing up to potential. The truth is our franchise has a poison in it and the only cure is finding a way to win, and continually draft well. I'm hoping Campbell can contribute towards that success, but don't cop out and just blame it on the roster. There have been much less talented teams to accomplish more and much more talented teams accomplishing less.

This is exactly what I mean. If these same players were on another team I am pretty sure their performances would change. Look how many ex Dolphins have left and done well. I wonder why??

 

[phishxhead]

I said this in another thread, but there is no special talent on this team outside of Suh (who isn't playing like it). Landry, Cameron, Wake, Grimes are all very good, but aren't guys that scare other teams. There is no core group of guys to build around and this roster isn't any better or much different than past years.

 

[russianbear]

Sorry, wholeheartedly disagree. This is not a cop out, but an honest look in the mirror. They have not even competitive against what looks to be just barely better than average teams like the Jets and Bills. Even if you account for the bad coaching, that still leaves a large gap to fill in as to why that is. Are you telling me 3 games into this season all these guys simply gave up or refused to give a full effort just because they didn't like the coach? What kind of professionalism is that then? What's that say about the character and make up of this team?

Yes, maybe Lamar Miller can show more than he has, but without the talent up front to block he simply can't. Vernon? Wake? What have they done this year to make you put them on a list of consistent talent/impact players? Suh is taking the usual double-teams, yet they can't beat 1-1's, against just average players? The offensive units we have gone up[ against so far are not exactly considered top tier and the QB talent for these offenses has also been average. Yet, the Miami defense is being dominated. But, right, its all coaching.

There is no point in arguing when we're going to have an answer about the talent or lack there of on our team in the next many weeks. But maybe you can explain to me why the same roster up and down was an absolute dominant unit the first 10 weeks or so of last year? All we've done is add in Suh and now we're somehow worse? We were top half of league in offensive PPG and now we're awful? Was Mike Wallace the difference maker? I've seen this same team perform much better, or else I wouldn't be taking this stance.