You just described every QB on every team in the NFL.
this would have been tannehill's breakout season
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You just described every QB on every team in the NFL.
roy_miami
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Unless Cutler beasts out I don't believe for a second that we'll move on from Tannehill because Gase seems to be loyal to a fault (if reports are true he's reached out to every QB he's ever worked with since being here, including Kyle Orton), but the QB market will be very interesting with the likes of Dalton, Cousins, Alex Smith, Garapolo, AJ McCarren, Teddy Bridgewater, maybe even Drew Brees and probably a few other high draft pick reclamation projects like Bortles all out there. Plus Cutler will look at least decent statistically, so he'll likely get some interest as well.
There's no saving Bortles.
jessejames123
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After watching all that bad QB play in week 1, Ill take Tannehill all day. Made me appreciate him that much more. He is definitely top 10 material. He already was in last years stretch. Stats out the window he was playing clutch and dropping dimes last year. Youre gonna need a solid D and stop the run regardless of who your QB is.
A lot of these negative stats I am seeing have a lot to do with how we started the season due to offensive line issues, including up to and during the Titans game when we had Thomas at Guard and freaking Turner at LT. After they were let go and the OL got healthy, we went on a run and things got a lot better. During the first 5 games we averaged 16 points per game during the rest of Tannehill's games we averaged 24 points per game. To put that in perspective, we averaged just over 21 points per game when we won the AFC East with Pennington. All the Tanne bashers like to leave the facts out. Anyone who has even a slight clue about football knows Tanne is definitely a top 10 QB and this team's main issue since 2012 has been the OL. Tannehill's win record when Pouncey, James, and Albert were playing is amazing....when those players get hurt, especially 2 or 3 of them....you can put Tom Brady back there and he ain't doing crap! Same issue for 6 years now and people still bashing Tanne, SMH!
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What would it tell you if there are a good number of QBs in the league who perform significantly better than Tannehill with poorer offensive lines, or with similar numbers of injuries on their offensive lines?
The problem with the sort of perspective above is that it doesn't explore the customary functioning of offensive lines throughout the league, and the relationship between that functioning and QB play. One simply assumes that "the norm" in the league is a good offensive line with no injuries, and that the best QBs in the league simply benefit from those surroundings. Therefore if we can get the Dolphins' offensive line to stay healthy and play in such a way, Tannehill will become one of the league's best QBs.
What if the reality instead is that the league's best QBs play as well as they do with offensive lines that aren't the league's best, and that have relatively frequent injuries to their players? What if you gave the best QBs in the league the "healthy" version of the Dolphins' line Tannehill has enjoyed at times during the past few years, and it vaulted their play to a level that made Tannehill's better play with those healthy lines look comparatively average?
I would tell you the only person that this applies to is Russell Wilson and the BIGGEST difference with him is how he is receiving pressure, typically from one side, not multiple angles like Tannehill has. Tannehill's entire career has been marked by an OL that ranks in the very bottom of the league. Even with all starters in they are still mid 20's. Despite that, he was like 3rd or 4th in the league in yards passed in his first 4 years behind the likes of Manning and Marino. Your post makes it sound like there are a lot of QBs out there who play well behind bad O Lines which is absolutely not even remotely in the realm of reality!
Again, isn't Tannehill something like 11-1 or 2 with all the OL healthy and starting.. and that includes slugs like Turner, Clabo and Thomas. I don't care who you sub for Tannehill, with the exception of only Brady, any other QB would be hard-pressed to surpass that percentage!!
And in '14 and '15, considering the fins OLs were respectively ranked #32 and #31, you'd be challenged to find QBs with worse front line support anywhere.
And in '14 and '15, considering the fins OLs were respectively ranked #32 and #31, you'd be challenged to find QBs with worse front line support anywhere.
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that's the problem with these Qwinz gurus, they think a quarterback can win by themselves, no defense, no running game, second rate receivers, they should be able to overcome all those deficiencies.
He broke last year.
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I'm asking that people consider the following possibility.
Take the following hypothetical passer rating numbers, for example:
With the Dolphins' Injured Offensive Line from 2013-2016
Ryan Tannehill: 88
Aaron Rodgers: 105
Matt Ryan: 100
Tom Brady: 99
With the Dolphins' Fully Healthy Offensive Line from 2013-2016
Ryan Tannehill: 101
Aaron Rodgers: 117
Matt Ryan: 112
Tom Brady: 111
Of course nobody knows whether those would be the actual figures, but my point above in the thread is that it doesn't sound like anyone is considering the possibility, either, or even anything analogous.
Rather, it's as if Tannehill enjoys an improvement in his own play as a function of the improvement of his offensive line, that no other QB in the NFL would enjoy, and that every other QB would play at Tannehill's level or worse with Tannehill's injured line.
In other words, Tannehill is being looked at in this regard in isolation, rather than as how he would compare to the other QBs in the league.
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It will matter.
CorduroyG
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cant say 100%. if cutler has a career year and the dolphins go deep in the playoffs im sure theyd want him back. if he has a typical cutler year (which is about league average) and they go 8-8 then it will be one and done
Alright, so 99.9%.