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Not even sure what to say about this one. It was a win, at least. And the Jests season is done. It was almost the Dolphins who were done. This game is a great example of why I go nuts when the Dolphins make silly little mistakes, that many look past. Little mistakes cost you football games when it matters most, and against better teams. All the Jets had to do was kick the ball off into the end zone for a touchback, and the game was most likely over. Did their coaches order the short kick? Did their kicker just choke? I have no idea, but one stupid play like that at the end, when it mattered most, is what probably blew the game for them. The Jets stink, and were injured, we were at home, and still the game went the way it did. Lucky for us they are a loser team that finds ways to do stupid things and lose games. There is something to the notion that some teams are winners and some are losers. Little things. Clock and game management, critical turnovers, the ability to make plays at certain times OR make mistakes at certain times. They matter. Coaching is a huge part of it, as is having the right kind of players.

Three Up:

Malik Washington - Might be controversial to put him here, but that kickoff return doesn't happen, there is probably nothing to talk about. There is a chicken and an egg in the case of this game, and that play was it. Frankly, not even sure I should give him too much credit. Maybe I am wrong, I do not think he did anything spectacular to make it happen, maybe the credit should really go to the special teams blocking? Did Danny Crossman actually win us a game? With the exception of the missed XP (which didn't end up costing us because the 2 got converted), I thought they were pretty good, including in the punt game. Sanders also made the very long FG, in addition to long one to send it to OT.

Tua - For the same reason I gave him a down in the Arizona game, because he didn't get it done on the last drive, regardless of how good he looked prior to that, he gets an up this game. Got it done, at the end, when it mattered most. Converted the 2 pointer as well, which was huge. FWIW I have no problem with the dink and dunk offense. You take what is there. I judge the offense based not on how flashy it looks, but based on production, how clean they play (turnovers are costly), and possession. Today I give the offense very mixed reviews, but same thing, when it mattered most it worked.

Patrick Paul - I could turn out wrong here, but the rookie comes in, and I didn't hear his name called (exception of the stupid illegal formation call which was a bad call by the refs), so I think he did ok.

Honorable mention: Jonnu Smith, was invisible the whole game, until he wasn't.

Three Down:

Short yardage/goal to go offense - This is awful. We will never beat good teams or win important games with our pathetic third and 4th and short offense. I gave out the data in another thread - https://finheaven.com/threads/the-system.385507/. Then there was another backwards run of negative 3 to 4 yards on first down in a goal to go situation. Cannot have that. It is just terrible, 3 years straight. Is it the personnel? The play calling? All of the above? We are literally trying fade corner routes to Tyreek when we need to gain a yard. Thankfully the PI bailed us out. If we think the odds are better of completing that ball to a small WR are better than being able to run it for a yard, we got all sorts of problems. But Grier thinks the OL is fine?

Jalen Ramsey - Can't have this out of the highest paid CB in the league. This is an organizational point as much as anything else. What were we doing handing him that contract with that term at his age? This is why we underachieve. Too many head scratching moves.

The Pass Rush - Got better towards the end, and we had some big sacks, but prior to that, all of them, terrible. Rodgers had all day back there, and the Jets have no offensive line. There is a reason he had his first 300 yard game in years.

In conclusion, not sure what to say about this one. It was a win, but it feels like a moral loss. On to Houston. There is a chance to feel better next week. Will we? Stay tuned I guess.
 
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Not even sure what to say about this one. It was a win, at least. And the Jests season is done. It was almost the Dolphins who were done. This game is a great example of why I go nuts when the Dolphins make silly little mistakes, that many look past. Little mistakes cost you football games when it matters most, and against better teams. All the Jets had to do was kick the ball off into the end zone for a touchback, and the game was most likely over. Did their coaches order the short kick? Did their kicker just choke? I have no idea, but one stupid play like that at the end, when it mattered most, is what probably blew the game for them. The Jets stink, and were injured, we were at home, and still the game went the way it did. Lucky for us they are a loser team that finds ways to lose games.

Three Up:

Malik Washington - Might be controversial to put him here, but that kickoff return doesn't happen, there is probably nothing to talk about. There is a chicken and an egg in the case of this game, and that play was it. Frankly, not even sure I should give him too much credit. Maybe I am wrong, I do not think he did anything spectacular to make it happen, maybe the credit should really go to the special teams blocking? Did Danny Crossman actually win us a game? With the exception of the missed XP (which didn't end up costing us because the 2 got converted), I thought they were pretty good, including in the punt game. Sanders also made the very long FG, in addition to long one to send it to OT.

Tua - For the same reason I gave him a down in the Arizona game, because he didn't get it done on the last drive, regardless of how good he looked prior to that, he gets an up this game. Got it done, at the end, when it mattered most. Converted the 2 pointer as well, which was huge. FWIW I have no problem with the dink and dunk offense. You take what is there. I judge the offense based not on how flashy it looks, but based on production, how clean they play (turnovers are costly), and possession. Today I give the offense very mixed reviews, but same thing, when it mattered most it worked.

Patrick Paul - I could turn out wrong here, but the rookie comes in, and I didn't hear his name called (exception of the stupid illegal formation call which was a bad call by the refs), so I think he did ok.

Three Down:

Short yardage/goal to go offense - This is awful. We will never beat good teams or win important games with our pathetic third and 4th and short offense. I gave out the data in another thread - https://finheaven.com/threads/the-system.385507/. Then there was another backwards run of negative 3 to 4 yards on first down in a goal to go situation. Cannot have that. It is just terrible, 3 years straight. Is it the personnel? The play calling? All of the above? We are literally trying fade corner routes to Tyreek when we need to gain a yard. Thankfully the PI bailed us out. If we think the odds are better of completing that ball to a small WR are better than being able to run it for a yard, we got all sorts of problems. But Grier thinks the OL is fine?

Jalen Ramsey - Can't have this out of the highest paid CB in the league. This is an organizational point as much as anything else. What were we doing handing him that contract with that term at his age? This is why we underachieve. Too many head scratching moves.

The Pass Rush - Got better towards the end, and we had some big sacks, but prior to that, all of them, terrible. Rodgers had all day back there, and the Jets have no offensive line. There is a reason he had his first 300 yard game in years.

In conclusion, not sure what to say about this one. It was a win, but it feels like a moral loss. On to Houston. There is a chance to feel better next week. Will we? Stay tuned I guess.
U missed the biggest mistake jets made.
If they keep ball in bounds in throw to adams they can run clock out and kick fg. Not sure why they threw near sidle line or why they went out of bounds
 
U missed the biggest mistake jets made.
If they keep ball in bounds in throw to adams they can run clock out and kick fg. Not sure why they threw near sidle line or why they went out of bounds
Yeah, that was a major mistake
 
U missed the biggest mistake jets made.
If they keep ball in bounds in throw to adams they can run clock out and kick fg. Not sure why they threw near sidle line or why they went out of bounds
good point, i also think they shouldn't have ran the play before the 2 minute warning either. all these little things, i think sadly we make these kinds of goofs too often as well. game management is a really big deal.
 
Not even sure what to say about this one. It was a win, at least. And the Jests season is done. It was almost the Dolphins who were done. This game is a great example of why I go nuts when the Dolphins make silly little mistakes, that many look past. Little mistakes cost you football games when it matters most, and against better teams. All the Jets had to do was kick the ball off into the end zone for a touchback, and the game was most likely over. Did their coaches order the short kick? Did their kicker just choke? I have no idea, but one stupid play like that at the end, when it mattered most, is what probably blew the game for them. The Jets stink, and were injured, we were at home, and still the game went the way it did. Lucky for us they are a loser team that finds ways to lose games.

Three Up:

Malik Washington - Might be controversial to put him here, but that kickoff return doesn't happen, there is probably nothing to talk about. There is a chicken and an egg in the case of this game, and that play was it. Frankly, not even sure I should give him too much credit. Maybe I am wrong, I do not think he did anything spectacular to make it happen, maybe the credit should really go to the special teams blocking? Did Danny Crossman actually win us a game? With the exception of the missed XP (which didn't end up costing us because the 2 got converted), I thought they were pretty good, including in the punt game. Sanders also made the very long FG, in addition to long one to send it to OT.

Tua - For the same reason I gave him a down in the Arizona game, because he didn't get it done on the last drive, regardless of how good he looked prior to that, he gets an up this game. Got it done, at the end, when it mattered most. Converted the 2 pointer as well, which was huge. FWIW I have no problem with the dink and dunk offense. You take what is there. I judge the offense based not on how flashy it looks, but based on production, how clean they play (turnovers are costly), and possession. Today I give the offense very mixed reviews, but same thing, when it mattered most it worked.

Patrick Paul - I could turn out wrong here, but the rookie comes in, and I didn't hear his name called (exception of the stupid illegal formation call which was a bad call by the refs), so I think he did ok.

Honorable mention: Jonnu Smith, was invisible the whole game, until he wasn't.

Three Down:

Short yardage/goal to go offense - This is awful. We will never beat good teams or win important games with our pathetic third and 4th and short offense. I gave out the data in another thread - https://finheaven.com/threads/the-system.385507/. Then there was another backwards run of negative 3 to 4 yards on first down in a goal to go situation. Cannot have that. It is just terrible, 3 years straight. Is it the personnel? The play calling? All of the above? We are literally trying fade corner routes to Tyreek when we need to gain a yard. Thankfully the PI bailed us out. If we think the odds are better of completing that ball to a small WR are better than being able to run it for a yard, we got all sorts of problems. But Grier thinks the OL is fine?

Jalen Ramsey - Can't have this out of the highest paid CB in the league. This is an organizational point as much as anything else. What were we doing handing him that contract with that term at his age? This is why we underachieve. Too many head scratching moves.

The Pass Rush - Got better towards the end, and we had some big sacks, but prior to that, all of them, terrible. Rodgers had all day back there, and the Jets have no offensive line. There is a reason he had his first 300 yard game in years.

In conclusion, not sure what to say about this one. It was a win, but it feels like a moral loss. On to Houston. There is a chance to feel better next week. Will we? Stay tuned I guess.
Three Down

Jevon Holland- no plays made, a ton of missed tackles and assignments. Looks to be playing out the string

Kader Kohou- what does he do exactly? Doesn't tackle or cover or anything besides wear a giant target on his back

McDaniel- the play calling and game management continue to be underwhelming, this team should have been ready to throttle a bad Jets team and they weren't.
 
Not even sure what to say about this one. It was a win, at least. And the Jests season is done. It was almost the Dolphins who were done. This game is a great example of why I go nuts when the Dolphins make silly little mistakes, that many look past. Little mistakes cost you football games when it matters most, and against better teams. All the Jets had to do was kick the ball off into the end zone for a touchback, and the game was most likely over. Did their coaches order the short kick? Did their kicker just choke? I have no idea, but one stupid play like that at the end, when it mattered most, is what probably blew the game for them. The Jets stink, and were injured, we were at home, and still the game went the way it did. Lucky for us they are a loser team that finds ways to lose games.

Three Up:

Malik Washington - Might be controversial to put him here, but that kickoff return doesn't happen, there is probably nothing to talk about. There is a chicken and an egg in the case of this game, and that play was it. Frankly, not even sure I should give him too much credit. Maybe I am wrong, I do not think he did anything spectacular to make it happen, maybe the credit should really go to the special teams blocking? Did Danny Crossman actually win us a game? With the exception of the missed XP (which didn't end up costing us because the 2 got converted), I thought they were pretty good, including in the punt game. Sanders also made the very long FG, in addition to long one to send it to OT.

Tua - For the same reason I gave him a down in the Arizona game, because he didn't get it done on the last drive, regardless of how good he looked prior to that, he gets an up this game. Got it done, at the end, when it mattered most. Converted the 2 pointer as well, which was huge. FWIW I have no problem with the dink and dunk offense. You take what is there. I judge the offense based not on how flashy it looks, but based on production, how clean they play (turnovers are costly), and possession. Today I give the offense very mixed reviews, but same thing, when it mattered most it worked.

Patrick Paul - I could turn out wrong here, but the rookie comes in, and I didn't hear his name called (exception of the stupid illegal formation call which was a bad call by the refs), so I think he did ok.

Three Down:

Short yardage/goal to go offense - This is awful. We will never beat good teams or win important games with our pathetic third and 4th and short offense. I gave out the data in another thread - https://finheaven.com/threads/the-system.385507/. Then there was another backwards run of negative 3 to 4 yards on first down in a goal to go situation. Cannot have that. It is just terrible, 3 years straight. Is it the personnel? The play calling? All of the above? We are literally trying fade corner routes to Tyreek when we need to gain a yard. Thankfully the PI bailed us out. If we think the odds are better of completing that ball to a small WR are better than being able to run it for a yard, we got all sorts of problems. But Grier thinks the OL is fine?

Jalen Ramsey - Can't have this out of the highest paid CB in the league. This is an organizational point as much as anything else. What were we doing handing him that contract with that term at his age? This is why we underachieve. Too many head scratching moves.

The Pass Rush - Got better towards the end, and we had some big sacks, but prior to that, all of them, terrible. Rodgers had all day back there, and the Jets have no offensive line. There is a reason he had his first 300 yard game in years.

In conclusion, not sure what to say about this one. It was a win, but it feels like a moral loss. On to Houston. There is a chance to feel better next week. Will we? Stay tuned I guess.
I agree with most of this, but two things….

1. No idea what a moral loss is. My team won when our defense was really bad, which in my opinion is a good sign. Overcoming your shortcomings is a solid momentum and confidence builder.

2. I wouldn’t throw Ramsey under the bus just yet. A number of those open Jets receivers were issues with him and Kohou not complimenting each other in pass offs and not having safeties in their right spot. I am going to give Ramsey the benefit of the doubt until this is as a trend. He has been solid for us and one of our few hard nosed players
 
I agree with most of this, but two things….

1. No idea what a moral loss is. My team won when our defense was really bad, which in my opinion is a good sign. Overcoming your shortcomings is a solid momentum and confidence builder.

2. I wouldn’t throw Ramsey under the bus just yet. A number of those open Jets receivers were issues with him and Kohou not complimenting each other in pass offs and not having safeties in their right spot. I am going to give Ramsey the benefit of the doubt until this is as a trend. He has been solid for us and one of our few hard nosed players
Its a trend. This started in week one with the Jags big pass before half. In the Colts game with a pass from Richardson before half. Against the Raiders all game. Against the Packers repeatedly. Against the Jets repeatedly.

Its a trend.
 
I agree with most of this, but two things….

1. No idea what a moral loss is. My team won when our defense was really bad, which in my opinion is a good sign. Overcoming your shortcomings is a solid momentum and confidence builder.

2. I wouldn’t throw Ramsey under the bus just yet. A number of those open Jets receivers were issues with him and Kohou not complimenting each other in pass offs and not having safeties in their right spot. I am going to give Ramsey the benefit of the doubt until this is as a trend. He has been solid for us and one of our few hard nosed players
well you are entitled to your point of view. that malik washington return doesn't happen, and there is likely a very different tune being sung. this was also a terrible jets team that we struggled against, and had to get somewhat lucky, to beat, on our home field. to me, not an inspiring performance. it is once again, beating a loser team, and in this case barely. i enjoy the win, BUT not only do i read nothing into it, it actually leaves me a tad more concerned about what we are and where this is going, on the margin. then again, there are still games to be played, so you never know. lets see if they can change the narrative, to date this year they have only reinforced the narrative.
 
Kohu needs to go hand feed lions at Krueger
you been there? supposed to be great. i would like to go on safari at some point, granted lots of cougars crawling around south florida so those of you that live there dont have to go far!
 
Three Down

Jevon Holland- no plays made, a ton of missed tackles and assignments. Looks to be playing out the string

Kader Kohou- what does he do exactly? Doesn't tackle or cover or anything besides wear a giant target on his back

McDaniel- the play calling and game management continue to be underwhelming, this team should have been ready to throttle a bad Jets team and they weren't.
i agree on mcdaniel and holland too. i think/hope holland will not be around next year. not a fan of his play or attitude. will be interesting what the rest of the league thinks of him and what sort of deal he commands. then will be interesting how he looks for another organization.
 
i agree on mcdaniel and holland too. i think/hope holland will not be around next year. not a fan of his play or attitude. will be interesting what the rest of the league thinks of him and what sort of deal he commands. then will be interesting how he looks for another organization.
No way I am resigning Holland. We have limited resources in terms of cap space and I am not wasting any of it on him.
 
2. I wouldn’t throw Ramsey under the bus just yet. A number of those open Jets receivers were issues with him and Kohou not complimenting each other in pass offs and not having safeties in their right spot. I am going to give Ramsey the benefit of the doubt until this is as a trend. He has been solid for us and one of our few hard nosed players

Ramsey has been playing as the best (or at worst, top three) CB in the league until this game.

The PI call on him was absolutely bull****, objectively speaking.

He has had better games. But... His bad play is not a trend.
 
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