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The Dolphins blew it this year. The schedule which was supposed to be somewhat hard, actually turned out as easy as you could have hoped for. We will probably have had 8 games against teams vying for the first pick in next year’s draft. A strong finish was teed up for us too. Just get by Houston. The 49ers are an imploded mess, and a home game. Then the Jets and Cleveland, two more awful teams. It was there for the taking, but we couldn’t do it.

The good news is they didn’t string us along and wait until the end of the year to break our hearts, they got it over with on the earlier side. The other good news, is maybe this forces some change, but I doubt much comes of it. Even if Grier is finally shown the door, I am not optimistic about what follows. There are not many great GMs in the NFL. The ones that exist all have jobs. Once again, it will have to be someone that has not done it before. Then, I am not sure anyone decent would even want to step into this situation. Oldest roster in the NFL, with about the least amount of cap space, and a lot of players with big contracts that are not worth it. Then there is the org structure that is put in place around the new GM. So far, it has been a bad one, and I am not optimistic that will change. We might get a new face in the front office, but not new results. Granted, at this point, no downside, just have to hope the blind squirrel finally finds the nut. Even if that happens, it will be a long road. There is a lot of wood to chop to clean up this mess.

Three Up:

Zach Seiler – Love the guy. Great story. Week in and week out too.

Chop – 1.5 more sacks, and they mattered. I guess I don't get to call him Flop anymore. I kind of want him to stink so there is one more reason to get Grier out of here, but he doesn't.

Someone else on the defense – take your pick, the DC Weaver, Jordyn Brooks, who knows. The defense was really good. If not for the offensive turnovers, and the faked punt, might have held Houston to under 10 points.

Three Down:

Tua – 4 turnovers, almost 5 if not for another dropped INT. His poor play in this game went well beyond the offensive line. Protection was not the issue on a lot of his bad plays. 2nd drive, missed an outright easy throw to Tyreek. Then throws one right to the safety, with no pressure, who drops it. Makes same mistake again, safety catches it. Last INT of game, underthrown. The other one, not enough on it, and too far to the inside. Bad balls. And beyond the turnovers, he did nothing. Didn’t make any plays. If it wasn’t for a lined up in the neutral zone on a FG, we would have had 9 points, and no TDs. Not good, no excuses. Tua’s play against better teams, when it matters, continues to be a big issue. And yes I know the offensive line was not great. But there are plays that need to be made regardless. The way the defense was playing, all we needed was a few made plays, and fewer turnovers, we win. Also think about the logic, when the OL is good, nobody says "well I am not going to give the QB credit for a good game, it was really just the OL that was good."

Eichenberg – Am not going to say the whole offensive line, because with two backups in there, there are going to be issues. Eichenberg is a starter. And he absolutely stinks. Grier managed to draft the only OL in the history of Notre Dame, that stinks. And we traded up to get him too. When Eichenberg isn’t getting shoved backwards, he is falling over his own two feet.

Not sure – Weird game. The defense was really good. Not going to hang a down on Jackson Carman, because he is supposed to suck. There were a lot of meh performances, but am not sure anyone else stood out as bad or really goofed something up. It is just that Tua really, really stunk. Am not even going to hang this one on McDaniel, he wasn’t on the field, and he wasn’t the one who turned it over 4 times, almost 5. People will go after McDaniel for “play calling” – but that is just cheap and easy. I do not think the play calling was the issue this game, it was really just the playmaking, or lack thereof, by the QB. Am not going to dump on Tyreek and the WRs either, because it looked to me like Tua wasn't getting them the ball and wasn't accurate. And again, Tyreek didn't get credit for Tua's game last week, for example. Maybe you could argue special teams, for the fake punt and Sanders missed XP, but really, this one started and ended with the QB. QB can win a game for teams, and can lose a game for teams. QB gets the credit for last week, the blame for this week. That is how it goes.
 
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The Dolphins blew it this year. The schedule which was supposed to be somewhat hard, actually turned out as easy as you could have hoped for. We will probably have had 8 games against teams vying for the first pick in next year’s draft. A strong finish was teed up for us too. Just get by Houston. The 49ers are an imploded mess, and a home game. Then the Jets and Cleveland, two more awful teams. It was there for the taking, but we couldn’t do it.

The good news is they didn’t string us along and wait until the end of the year to break our hearts, they got it over with on the earlier side. The other good news, is maybe this forces some change, but I doubt much comes of it. Even if Grier is finally shown the door, I am not optimistic about what follows. There are not many great GMs in the NFL. The ones that exist all have jobs. Once again, it will have to be someone that has not done it before. Then, I am not sure anyone decent would even want to step into this situation. Oldest roster in the NFL, with about the least amount of cap space, and a lot of players with big contracts that are not worth it. Then there is the org structure that is put in place around the new GM. So far, it has been a bad one, and I am not optimistic that will change. We might get a new face in the front office, but not new results. Granted, at this point, no downside, just have to hope the blind squirrel finally finds the nut. Even if that happens, it will be a long road. There is a lot of wood to chop to clean up this mess.

Three Up:

Zach Seiler – Love the guy. Great story. Week in and week out too.

Chop – 1.5 more sacks, and they mattered. I guess I don't get to call him Flop anymore. I kind of want him to stink so there is one more reason to get Grier out of here, but he doesn't.

Someone else on the defense – take your pick, the DC Weaver, Jordyn Brooks, who knows. The defense was really good. If not for the offensive turnovers, and the faked punt, might have held Houston to under 10 points.

Three Down:

Tua – 4 turnovers, almost 5 if not for another dropped INT. His poor play in this game went well beyond the offensive line. Protection was not the issue on a lot of his bad plays. 2nd drive, missed an outright easy throw to Tyreek. Then throws one right to the safety, with no pressure, who drops it. Makes same mistake again, safety catches it. Last INT of game, underthrown. The other one, not enough on it, and too far to the inside. Bad balls. And beyond the turnovers, he did nothing. Didn’t make any plays. If it wasn’t for a lined up in the neutral zone on a FG, we would have had 9 points, and no TDs. Not good, no excuses. Tua’s play against better teams, when it matters, continues to be a big issue. And yes I know the offensive line was not great. But there are plays that need to be made regardless. The way the defense was playing, all we needed was a few made plays, and fewer turnovers, we win. Also think about the logic, when the OL is good, nobody says "well I am not going to give the QB credit for a good game, it was really just the OL that was good."

Eichenberg – Am not going to say the whole offensive line, because with two backups in there, there are going to be issues. Eichenberg is a starter. And he absolutely stinks. Grier managed to draft the only OL in the history of Notre Dame, that stinks. And we traded up to get him too. When Eichenberg isn’t getting shoved backwards, he is falling over his own two feet.

Not sure – Weird game. The defense was really good. Not going to hang a down on Jackson Carman, because he is supposed to suck. There were a lot of meh performances, but am not sure anyone else stood out as bad or really goofed something up. It is just that Tua really, really stunk. Am not even going to hang this one on McDaniel, he wasn’t on the field, and he wasn’t the one who turned it over 4 times, almost 5. People will go after McDaniel for “play calling” – but that is just cheap and easy. I do not think the play calling was the issue this game, it was really just the playmaking, or lack thereof, by the QB. Maybe you could argue special teams, for the fake punt and Sanders missed XP, but really, this one started and ended with the QB. QB can win a game for teams, and can lose a game for teams. QB gets the credit for last week, the blame for this week. That is how it goes.

Actually, I'd give Carman an 'up.' Not because he was good, but he was better than expected.
 
Tyreek needs to be in 3 down. He was absolutely atrocious yesterday. A complete embarrassment as he usually is in big games. Tua played poorly, but from Tua and McDaniel’s own mouths….. it sounds like Tyreek was directly responsible for 2-3 of those INTs. I don’t know how many INTs I’ve seen him being blamed for running the wrong route.

The final pick was underthrown, but he had the football in both hands and had it taken from him the same way Stingley took his manhood the entire game. Quite frankly, Stingley made Tyreek his bitch yesterday.

I don’t want to see anymore troll tweets from him. He needs to keep his mouth shut because he hasn’t performed in 2024.
 
Actually, I'd give Carman an 'up.' Not because he was good, but he was better than expected.
interesting. was tough for me to tell. i am curious what PFF and the other post game analysis stuff says about the individuals on the OL. i always take it with a grain of salt, but i do find it interesting.
 
Tyreek needs to be in 3 down. He was absolutely atrocious yesterday. A complete embarrassment as he usually is in big games. Tua played poorly, but from Tua and McDaniel’s own mouths….. it sounds like Tyreek was directly responsible for 2-3 of those INTs. I don’t know how many INTs I’ve seen him being blamed for running the wrong route.

The final pick was underthrown, but he had the football in both hands and had it taken from him the same way Stingley took his manhood the entire game. Quite frankly, Stingley made Tyreek his bitch yesterday.

I don’t want to see anymore troll tweets from him. He needs to keep his mouth shut because he hasn’t performed in 2024.
i think either him or waddle needs to be traded. i think both have now turned into poor investments in the context of the draft capital given up and money paid for them. re tyreek specifically, not sure if he has finally lost a step or the offense has just morphed into something different, or both
 
i think either him or waddle needs to be traded. i think both have now turned into poor investments in the context of the draft capital given up and money paid for them. re tyreek specifically, not sure if he has finally lost a step or the offense has just morphed into something different, or both

I agree. I think trading Tyreek in the offseason is a no brainer and should be a top priority. Should be able to acquire a day 2 pick for him which will give hopefully a new GM a 1, 2, 2, 3, 3 to work with on draft day. He’s clearly lost a step this season and I’m tired of both his mouth and his twitter fingers.

I have watched him struggle to get separation in man coverage consistently this season. Stingley looked like Champ Bailey covering Isaiah Ford yesterday.
 
Tyreek needs to be in 3 down. He was absolutely atrocious yesterday. A complete embarrassment as he usually is in big games. Tua played poorly, but from Tua and McDaniel’s own mouths….. it sounds like Tyreek was directly responsible for 2-3 of those INTs. I don’t know how many INTs I’ve seen him being blamed for running the wrong route.

The final pick was underthrown, but he had the football in both hands and had it taken from him the same way Stingley took his manhood the entire game. Quite frankly, Stingley made Tyreek his bitch yesterday.

I don’t want to see anymore troll tweets from him. He needs to keep his mouth shut because he hasn’t performed in 2024.
After watching the replay multiple times, I am questioning whether the final ball was underthrown. Tua released the ball when Tyreek was on the 30. Tyreek never has separation. The safety is coming over the top, so leading Tyreek in any significant way could have led to the safety having a chance to either pick the ball off or knock the **** out of Tyreek.

To me, I think the ball was thrown properly. Tyreek just allowed it to be picked off.

Maybe the question is whether or not Tyreek was the proper target there in the first place, considering he wasn’t really open. But as a QB, I guess you expect your speedy, highly-paid all-pro WR to make a play at some point when it’s needed.
 
Tyreek needs to be in 3 down. He was absolutely atrocious yesterday. A complete embarrassment as he usually is in big games. Tua played poorly, but from Tua and McDaniel’s own mouths….. it sounds like Tyreek was directly responsible for 2-3 of those INTs. I don’t know how many INTs I’ve seen him being blamed for running the wrong route.

The final pick was underthrown, but he had the football in both hands and had it taken from him the same way Stingley took his manhood the entire game. Quite frankly, Stingley made Tyreek his bitch yesterday.

I don’t want to see anymore troll tweets from him. He needs to keep his mouth shut because he hasn’t performed in 2024.
I was typing about Tyreek as a 3 down but you already said it perfectly
 
I really miss the "He's got Hill!" days, those games were fun to watch. But we were all flash and no substance once it got down to the nitty gritty games and we flamed out spectacularly.
yes. didn't work then, and even though different, it still doesn't work. tells you it is about the personnel more than the scheme.
 
The Dolphins blew it this year. The schedule which was supposed to be somewhat hard, actually turned out as easy as you could have hoped for. We will probably have had 8 games against teams vying for the first pick in next year’s draft. A strong finish was teed up for us too. Just get by Houston. The 49ers are an imploded mess, and a home game. Then the Jets and Cleveland, two more awful teams. It was there for the taking, but we couldn’t do it.

The good news is they didn’t string us along and wait until the end of the year to break our hearts, they got it over with on the earlier side. The other good news, is maybe this forces some change, but I doubt much comes of it. Even if Grier is finally shown the door, I am not optimistic about what follows. There are not many great GMs in the NFL. The ones that exist all have jobs. Once again, it will have to be someone that has not done it before. Then, I am not sure anyone decent would even want to step into this situation. Oldest roster in the NFL, with about the least amount of cap space, and a lot of players with big contracts that are not worth it. Then there is the org structure that is put in place around the new GM. So far, it has been a bad one, and I am not optimistic that will change. We might get a new face in the front office, but not new results. Granted, at this point, no downside, just have to hope the blind squirrel finally finds the nut. Even if that happens, it will be a long road. There is a lot of wood to chop to clean up this mess.

Three Up:

Zach Seiler – Love the guy. Great story. Week in and week out too.

Chop – 1.5 more sacks, and they mattered. I guess I don't get to call him Flop anymore. I kind of want him to stink so there is one more reason to get Grier out of here, but he doesn't.

Someone else on the defense – take your pick, the DC Weaver, Jordyn Brooks, who knows. The defense was really good. If not for the offensive turnovers, and the faked punt, might have held Houston to under 10 points.

Three Down:

Tua – 4 turnovers, almost 5 if not for another dropped INT. His poor play in this game went well beyond the offensive line. Protection was not the issue on a lot of his bad plays. 2nd drive, missed an outright easy throw to Tyreek. Then throws one right to the safety, with no pressure, who drops it. Makes same mistake again, safety catches it. Last INT of game, underthrown. The other one, not enough on it, and too far to the inside. Bad balls. And beyond the turnovers, he did nothing. Didn’t make any plays. If it wasn’t for a lined up in the neutral zone on a FG, we would have had 9 points, and no TDs. Not good, no excuses. Tua’s play against better teams, when it matters, continues to be a big issue. And yes I know the offensive line was not great. But there are plays that need to be made regardless. The way the defense was playing, all we needed was a few made plays, and fewer turnovers, we win. Also think about the logic, when the OL is good, nobody says "well I am not going to give the QB credit for a good game, it was really just the OL that was good."

Eichenberg – Am not going to say the whole offensive line, because with two backups in there, there are going to be issues. Eichenberg is a starter. And he absolutely stinks. Grier managed to draft the only OL in the history of Notre Dame, that stinks. And we traded up to get him too. When Eichenberg isn’t getting shoved backwards, he is falling over his own two feet.

Not sure – Weird game. The defense was really good. Not going to hang a down on Jackson Carman, because he is supposed to suck. There were a lot of meh performances, but am not sure anyone else stood out as bad or really goofed something up. It is just that Tua really, really stunk. Am not even going to hang this one on McDaniel, he wasn’t on the field, and he wasn’t the one who turned it over 4 times, almost 5. People will go after McDaniel for “play calling” – but that is just cheap and easy. I do not think the play calling was the issue this game, it was really just the playmaking, or lack thereof, by the QB. Maybe you could argue special teams, for the fake punt and Sanders missed XP, but really, this one started and ended with the QB. QB can win a game for teams, and can lose a game for teams. QB gets the credit for last week, the blame for this week. That is how it goes.
I am, He has instilled a culture of can't here. His soft training camps and apparent lack of accountability are apparent for anybody to see. Now reporters, and other players, including former Phins are talking about how "soft" the Phish are. If you are a coach getting your team ready to play Dolphins, you tell your player to punch them in the mouth, they'll quit. We did...
 
I agree. I think trading Tyreek in the offseason is a no brainer and should be a top priority. Should be able to acquire a day 2 pick for him which will give hopefully a new GM a 1, 2, 2, 3, 3 to work with on draft day. He’s clearly lost a step this season and I’m tired of both his mouth and his twitter fingers.

I have watched him struggle to get separation in man coverage consistently this season. Stingley looked like Champ Bailey covering Isaiah Ford yesterday.
you think only day 2 pick? jets just gave up a third for devante adams, and tyreek is much better now. but the jets were desperate, and devante adams has no contract, so maybe you are right. i think the big issue is tyreeks contract. same for some of the other guys grier handed money out to. really lowers their value on the trade market because the contracts are too fat
 
After watching the replay multiple times, I am questioning whether the final ball was underthrown. Tua released the ball when Tyreek was on the 30. Tyreek never has separation. The safety is coming over the top, so leading Tyreek in any significant way could have led to the safety having a chance to either pick the ball off or knock the **** out of Tyreek.

To me, I think the ball was thrown properly. Tyreek just allowed it to be picked off.

Maybe the question is whether or not Tyreek was the proper target there in the first place, considering he wasn’t really open. But as a QB, I guess you expect your speedy, highly-paid all-pro WR to make a play at some point when it’s needed.
my god even tua admitted the ball was underthrown. pls stop with the whole it is everyones fault but tua's thing. same for the other guys trying to hang it on tyreek. tua was bad yesterday. it is what it is. no amount of deflection or blaming others will change it. i did not hear any of you say "tua was bad, but in that specific case i do not think he was at fault." it is like you guys are tyring to completely absolve him for what went down yesterday. if you cannot admit he was bad, dunno what to tell you. simple quesiton, was tua bad yesterday, yes or no?
 
The Dolphins blew it this year. The schedule which was supposed to be somewhat hard, actually turned out as easy as you could have hoped for. We will probably have had 8 games against teams vying for the first pick in next year’s draft. A strong finish was teed up for us too. Just get by Houston. The 49ers are an imploded mess, and a home game. Then the Jets and Cleveland, two more awful teams. It was there for the taking, but we couldn’t do it.

The good news is they didn’t string us along and wait until the end of the year to break our hearts, they got it over with on the earlier side. The other good news, is maybe this forces some change, but I doubt much comes of it. Even if Grier is finally shown the door, I am not optimistic about what follows. There are not many great GMs in the NFL. The ones that exist all have jobs. Once again, it will have to be someone that has not done it before. Then, I am not sure anyone decent would even want to step into this situation. Oldest roster in the NFL, with about the least amount of cap space, and a lot of players with big contracts that are not worth it. Then there is the org structure that is put in place around the new GM. So far, it has been a bad one, and I am not optimistic that will change. We might get a new face in the front office, but not new results. Granted, at this point, no downside, just have to hope the blind squirrel finally finds the nut. Even if that happens, it will be a long road. There is a lot of wood to chop to clean up this mess.

Three Up:

Zach Seiler – Love the guy. Great story. Week in and week out too.

Chop – 1.5 more sacks, and they mattered. I guess I don't get to call him Flop anymore. I kind of want him to stink so there is one more reason to get Grier out of here, but he doesn't.

Someone else on the defense – take your pick, the DC Weaver, Jordyn Brooks, who knows. The defense was really good. If not for the offensive turnovers, and the faked punt, might have held Houston to under 10 points.

Three Down:

Tua – 4 turnovers, almost 5 if not for another dropped INT. His poor play in this game went well beyond the offensive line. Protection was not the issue on a lot of his bad plays. 2nd drive, missed an outright easy throw to Tyreek. Then throws one right to the safety, with no pressure, who drops it. Makes same mistake again, safety catches it. Last INT of game, underthrown. The other one, not enough on it, and too far to the inside. Bad balls. And beyond the turnovers, he did nothing. Didn’t make any plays. If it wasn’t for a lined up in the neutral zone on a FG, we would have had 9 points, and no TDs. Not good, no excuses. Tua’s play against better teams, when it matters, continues to be a big issue. And yes I know the offensive line was not great. But there are plays that need to be made regardless. The way the defense was playing, all we needed was a few made plays, and fewer turnovers, we win. Also think about the logic, when the OL is good, nobody says "well I am not going to give the QB credit for a good game, it was really just the OL that was good."

Eichenberg – Am not going to say the whole offensive line, because with two backups in there, there are going to be issues. Eichenberg is a starter. And he absolutely stinks. Grier managed to draft the only OL in the history of Notre Dame, that stinks. And we traded up to get him too. When Eichenberg isn’t getting shoved backwards, he is falling over his own two feet.

Not sure – Weird game. The defense was really good. Not going to hang a down on Jackson Carman, because he is supposed to suck. There were a lot of meh performances, but am not sure anyone else stood out as bad or really goofed something up. It is just that Tua really, really stunk. Am not even going to hang this one on McDaniel, he wasn’t on the field, and he wasn’t the one who turned it over 4 times, almost 5. People will go after McDaniel for “play calling” – but that is just cheap and easy. I do not think the play calling was the issue this game, it was really just the playmaking, or lack thereof, by the QB. Am not going to dump on Tyreek and the WRs either, because it looked to me like Tua wasn't getting them the ball and wasn't accurate. And again, Tyreek didn't get credit for Tua's game last week, for example. Maybe you could argue special teams, for the fake punt and Sanders missed XP, but really, this one started and ended with the QB. QB can win a game for teams, and can lose a game for teams. QB gets the credit for last week, the blame for this week. That is how it goes.
I disagree with having to find someone with no experience. There are a lot of assistant GMs that would love the opportunity to come in and lead the ship.
 
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