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Three Up And Three Down - The Year, AKA The Sum Of All Fears

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Well, this sucks. Probably the worst one ever, because I had finally expectations. The prior 20 something years, I really didn't. You could tell we were just a mess. For a second there this go around, it felt like there was hope and we finally had it figured out. What a head fake that was. Now, we might be in an even worse spot than at any time in the prior 24 years due to all these big contracts that appear to be bad contracts that will continue to hamstring us, and leave us no easy and quick way out. Even worse, the same guys that made the mess are the ones left to try and fix it. Swell! Einstein said the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, and expecting different results. Insane is what the Dolphins and Ross are.

Making this even more painful, the schedule this year was a total joke. I do not think it is possible to have had an easier schedule. We ended up with only 1 quality win (the Rams, who must have been asleep for that game). The rest of our wins were against teams vying for the #1 pick in the draft (we actually lost games to two of these teams, and almost lost games to three more the Jags, Pats and first Jets game), and a 49ers team that is not that good and was a broken down quit mess when they faced us. It is quite possible, with a normal schedule, we could have been a 4-6 win team as opposed to an 8 win team. Ergo, despite how it looked on paper, this team might actually suck, and there is no flexibility to fix the problem, and the same bozos are still here left responsible for the whole thing. Yuck!

As Barry Jackson tweeted: "So Dolphins will close 8-9. This 6 year rebuild brought us 2 wild card losses, an incredible Tua performance in Week 2 in Baltimore 3 years ago, some entertaining 1 p.m. home games against bad teams, 1 win vs. Bills and two neat 4:25 home wins vs. Dallas, 49ers. That covers it."

Three Up:

Seiler - Not complicated. He was really good.

Calais Campbell - Was also very good. And I think an important presence in the locker room too. Would be great to have him back, but I am not optimistic.

Jordyn Brooks - Very pleasant surprise. He was very good. And tough. Also seemed like an important guy to have in the locker room.

Honorable mentions:

Jason Sanders - He was good. Not exciting when it is the kicker, but he mattered a fair bit.

Achane - Great in the passing game, less good in the running game. Not sure how much is him vs the OL, but in total, he did a lot.

Jonnu Smith - Good!

Question Mark:

Aaron Brewer - I was skeptical of the signing due to his size, and pass blocking issues. There was a point in the season where it seems like he was really good in all phases. But then, the pass blocking started to degrade, and he also started getting popped for critical holding calls. The run game degraded to terrible as well. Although he is meant to be a very good run blocker, it is probably more due to his ability to move than it is to push people backwards. At any rate, he is signed and he is the center. He is coming back. Given his profile, if he is center, we need two big nasty guards alongside him that can actually get push. So I am leaving Brewer as a question mark.

Three Down:

General point. Every single player that was handed a big new deal turned out to be varying degrees of disappointing. If that does not speak volumes, I don't know what does. Tua, Tyreek, Ramsey, Waddle, Armstead.

Tua - Pretty straightforward. Missed 6 games, including the two at the end. When he played, he was good, but not great. The completion % thing was way over-hyped. Didn't look even close to a $55mm a year elite QB. I do not fault Tua one bit for the way he got hurt. If the QB is on the field, they have to be able to run, and sometimes put themselves at risk to make a critical first down or a critical play. If you can't do that, you will never be a good NFL player. The concussion was a nothing play. Tua ran into the chest of a DB who was just standing there, and Tua knocked himself out. The problem was not the play, it was that the play knocked him out. It was a big nothing play. If you can't do that, you cannot be out there. Same thing for the play in the Houston game where he hurt his hip. A nothing play. Because they know Tua is a china doll, they can't run a real offense, and the whole thing is sub-optimized. Tua Tagovailoa has been hit 210 times since 2020. Joe Burrow has been hit 452 times since 2020. Tom Brady has been hit 211 times since 2020. I don't know how this thing ends, but end of day, if you play QB (or any position), you are exposed to risk. You cannot have a good offense if it is designed so the primary focus is to keep the QB from getting hurt. When you sign this sort of contract, you are held to an entirely different standard. You are getting paid that kind of money for a reason, and he did not come close to living up to that reason.

The offensive line - Glad you weren't worried about it Grier, but the whole thing sucked. Again.

Poyer - Awful. Even worse, we let Brandon Jones and DeShon Elliot go for nothing. And Van Ginkel for not much. I am going to vomit.

Dishonorable Mentions:

Holland, Tyreek, Waddle, Eichenberg, Rob Jones, Ramsey (fine but not good enough), Durham Smythe, Julian Hill, David Long, probably a few others.
 
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Well, this sucks. Probably the worst one ever, because I had finally expectations. The prior 20 something years, I really didn't. You could tell we were just a mess. For a second there this go around, it felt like there was hope and we finally had it figured out. What a head fake that was. Now, we might be in an even worse spot than at any time in the prior 24 years due to all these big contracts that appear to be bad contracts that will continue to hamstring us, and leave us no easy and quick way out. Even worse, the same guys that made the mess are the ones left to try and fix it. Swell! Einstein said the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, and expecting different results. Insane is what the Dolphins and Ross are.

Making this even more painful, the schedule this year was a total joke. I do not think it is possible to have had an easier schedule. We ended up with only 1 quality win (the Rams, who must have been asleep for that game). The rest of our wins were against teams vying for the #1 pick in the draft (we actually lost games to two of these teams, and almost lost games to three more the Jags, Pats and first Jets game), and a 49ers team that is not that good and was a broken down quit mess when they faced us. It is quite possible, with a normal schedule, we could have been a 4-6 win team as opposed to an 8 win team. Ergo, despite how it looked on paper, this team might actually suck, and there is no flexibility to fix the problem, and the same bozos are still here left responsible for the whole thing. Yuck!

As Barry Jackson tweeted: "So Dolphins will close 8-9. This 6 year rebuild brought us 2 wild card losses, an incredible Tua performance in Week 2 in Baltimore 3 years ago, some entertaining 1 p.m. home games against bad teams, 1 win vs. Bills and two neat 4:25 home wins vs. Dallas, 49ers. That covers it."

Three Up:

Seiler - Not complicated. He was really good.

Calais Campbell - Was also very good. And I think an important presence in the locker room too. Would be great to have him back, but I am not optimistic.

Jordyn Brooks - Very pleasant surprise. He was very good. And tough. Also seemed like an important guy to have in the locker room.

Honorable mentions:

Jason Sanders - He was good. Not exciting when it is the kicker, but he mattered a fair bit.

Achane - Great in the passing game, less good in the running game. Not sure how much is him vs the OL, but in total, he did a lot.

Jonnu Smith - Good!

Question Mark:

Aaron Brewer - I was skeptical of the signing due to his size, and pass blocking issues. There was a point in the season where it seems like he was really good in all phases. But then, the pass blocking started to degrade, and he also started getting popped for critical holding calls. The run game degraded to terrible as well. Although he is meant to be a very good run blocker, it is probably more due to his ability to move than it is to push people backwards. At any rate, he is signed and he is the center. He is coming back. Given his profile, if he is center, we need two big nasty guards alongside him that can actually get push. So I am leaving Brewer as a question mark.

Three Down:

General point. Every single player that was handed a big new deal turned out to be varying degrees of disappointing. If that does not speak volumes, I don't know what does. Tua, Tyreek, Ramsey, Waddle, Armstead.

Tua - Pretty straightforward. Missed 6 games, including the two at the end. When he played, he was good, but not great. The completion % thing was way over-hyped. Didn't look even close to a $55mm a year elite QB. I do not fault Tua one bit for the way he got hurt. If the QB is on the field, they have to be able to run, and sometimes put themselves at risk to make a critical first down or a critical play. If you can't do that, you will never be a good NFL player. The concussion was a nothing play. Tua ran into the chest of a DB who was just standing there, and Tua knocked himself out. The problem was not the play, it was that the play knocked him out. It was a big nothing play. If you can't do that, you cannot be out there. Same thing for the play in the Houston game where he hurt his hip. A nothing play. Because they know Tua is a china doll, they can't run a real offense, and the whole thing is sub-optimized. Tua Tagovailoa has been hit 210 times since 2020. Joe Burrow has been hit 452 times since 2020. Tom Brady has been hit 211 times since 2020. I don't know how this thing ends, but end of day, if you play QB (or any position), you are exposed to risk. You cannot have a good offense if it is designed so the primary focus is to keep the QB from getting hurt. When you sign this sort of contract, you are held to an entirely different standard. You are getting paid that kind of money for a reason, and he did not come close to living up to that reason.

The offensive line - Glad you weren't worried about it Grier, but the whole thing sucked. Again.

Poyer - Awful. Even worse, we let Brandon Jones and DeShon Elliot go for nothing. And Van Ginkel for not much. I am going to vomit.

Dishonorable Mentions:

Holland, Tyreek, Waddle, Eichenberg, Rob Jones, Ramsey (fine but not good enough), Durham Smythe, Julian Hill, David Long, probably a few others.
Good post. Nice find on the data on “hits”. Tua’s “hit to games missed” is awful. How I miss Dan Marino - never mind his passing prowess but when he got hit, you never held your breath. He was big, tough and got right back up save for one fluke Achilles thing. Tua is a piece of Ming Dynasty porcelain. I love the person and like the player a lot. But he simply cannot hold up. Some of the guys who were disappointments this year are still important pieces - like Waddle - and can have bounce back years next year. Having said that, our coach isn’t a leader. And you have to be a good leader to be a good NFL HC w sustained success. I don’t see it in Mike, unfortunately.
 
Not much to debate here. Good post and thanks for this contribution all season long.

Amstead actually played really well and was kind of under-the-radar, but otherwise I think you hit the high notes. He did miss time with injuries.

I actually hope he comes back and coaches if this is it for him.

Holland was probably the biggest disappointment to me because he showed so much promise the last few years.
 
Not much disagreement here. The only minor point I will make is this. While Tua has been injured and you made the point about taking ~200 hits, note that the two that you mentioned were not standard hits, i.e. taking a big hit on a sack.

The concussion this season was an absolutely idiotic decision by a player who should know better. He put his head down and led with it. Moronic.

The second injury, he was unfortunate to get sandwiched by two players hitting him on either side of his hip area.

The interesting thing is remembering back to 2023 when we were all impressed that he had seemingly learned how to “fall” when being hit. Ju jitsu training, blah blah blah.

But, you’re correct on the bottom line. He missed 6 games and belongs in the down category.
 
I think Achane had a really good year. He was being forced to run b/w the tackles a lot though because we just didn't have good blocking up front on the toss plays. And he's not a between the tackle runner. Hopefully with some new guards up front in 2025 that can change. He showed he is a dual threat weapon though and he was durable.
 
I think Achane had a really good year. He was being forced to run b/w the tackles a lot though because we just didn't have good blocking up front on the toss plays. And he's not a between the tackle runner. Hopefully with some new guards up front in 2025 that can change. He showed he is a dual threat weapon though and he was durable.
Agree. Great effort guy too.
 
I think Achane had a really good year. He was being forced to run b/w the tackles a lot though because we just didn't have good blocking up front on the toss plays. And he's not a between the tackle runner. Hopefully with some new guards up front in 2025 that can change. He showed he is a dual threat weapon though and he was durable.
Yes agree and he showed he can run inside w some burst and power. Top notch player. If he was on the Lions he’d look like Gibbs. Same kind of talent.
 
Not much to debate here. Good post and thanks for this contribution all season long.

Amstead actually played really well and was kind of under-the-radar, but otherwise I think you hit the high notes. He did miss time with injuries.

I actually hope he comes back and coaches if this is it for him.

Holland was probably the biggest disappointment to me because he showed so much promise the last few years.
thanks much. i wasn't sure what to do with armstead. i think for the most part when he was on the field he was really good. i think he is a good guy, good in locker room. granted, this year he missed less time than last year too. i just get so annoyed by the string of injuries on the team and am so sick of grier constantly signing injury prone players. so maybe i did armstead a disservice, because he was good, and good in the locker room too. i dunno what we do next year. not sure if paul is good and ready to go. and i think the way armsteads contract is structured, it makes sense to bring him back.
 
Not much disagreement here. The only minor point I will make is this. While Tua has been injured and you made the point about taking ~200 hits, note that the two that you mentioned were not standard hits, i.e. taking a big hit on a sack.

The concussion this season was an absolutely idiotic decision by a player who should know better. He put his head down and led with it. Moronic.

The second injury, he was unfortunate to get sandwiched by two players hitting him on either side of his hip area.

The interesting thing is remembering back to 2023 when we were all impressed that he had seemingly learned how to “fall” when being hit. Ju jitsu training, blah blah blah.

But, you’re correct on the bottom line. He missed 6 games and belongs in the down category.
thanks much. the one area i disagree is the first concussion. i don't think it was an idiotic decision by tua, and i don't think he was being selfish or anything of that ilk. if you are on the field, you are supposed to compete. i like that he was competing. what he did was a big nothing. he barely ran into the guy too, who was just standing there. it is beyond me that this KO'd tua, and it was no ordinary KO either. somehow that put him into that forking position or whatever they call it.

if you want to win big games, the QB has to be able to make plays in key situations, where they are going to get hit. that also includes standing in the pocket, and getting drilled when you are throwing the ball. all the great ones do it. watch em play. even the judicious ones who are not running QBs, when it is necessary, they put their body at some risk. again this includes holding the ball in the pocket until the last second knowing they are going to get drilled, as opposed to just dumping it off.

i start to blow my brains out when the QB is so worried about getting hit and hurt, they slide when they are 5 yards away from the nearest defender, and end up two yards short of a first down they should have easily been able to get, and then the drive ends when it shouldn't have. heck, we can't even do a QB sneak, which is the easiest no brainer play in football.

i guess for some people it is genetic. some guys get hurt, some guys don't. there is also a luck component, but beyond that there are some guys that can take a beating and rarely get hurt, there are other guys that get out of bed and manage to get hurt.

for tua to be out there, and be effective, they cannot run the offense in such a way that a primary component of it is for tua not to get hurt. you will never have a great offense that can beat good teams if you are handcuffed this way.

i still cannot figure out the ins and outs of his contract and what happens if he get injured on the field of play and his career ends. if they think there is a risk they owe him all the money, maybe they say "well we can't let him get hurt." if this isn't an issue, i think they have to get over it, and treat him like a normal QB, and let the chips fall where they fall. it is what it is at this point. i guess find a better backup.
 
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Well, this sucks. Probably the worst one ever, because I had finally expectations. The prior 20 something years, I really didn't. You could tell we were just a mess. For a second there this go around, it felt like there was hope and we finally had it figured out. What a head fake that was. Now, we might be in an even worse spot than at any time in the prior 24 years due to all these big contracts that appear to be bad contracts that will continue to hamstring us, and leave us no easy and quick way out. Even worse, the same guys that made the mess are the ones left to try and fix it. Swell! Einstein said the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, and expecting different results. Insane is what the Dolphins and Ross are.

Making this even more painful, the schedule this year was a total joke. I do not think it is possible to have had an easier schedule. We ended up with only 1 quality win (the Rams, who must have been asleep for that game). The rest of our wins were against teams vying for the #1 pick in the draft (we actually lost games to two of these teams, and almost lost games to three more the Jags, Pats and first Jets game), and a 49ers team that is not that good and was a broken down quit mess when they faced us. It is quite possible, with a normal schedule, we could have been a 4-6 win team as opposed to an 8 win team. Ergo, despite how it looked on paper, this team might actually suck, and there is no flexibility to fix the problem, and the same bozos are still here left responsible for the whole thing. Yuck!

As Barry Jackson tweeted: "So Dolphins will close 8-9. This 6 year rebuild brought us 2 wild card losses, an incredible Tua performance in Week 2 in Baltimore 3 years ago, some entertaining 1 p.m. home games against bad teams, 1 win vs. Bills and two neat 4:25 home wins vs. Dallas, 49ers. That covers it."

Three Up:

Seiler - Not complicated. He was really good.

Calais Campbell - Was also very good. And I think an important presence in the locker room too. Would be great to have him back, but I am not optimistic.

Jordyn Brooks - Very pleasant surprise. He was very good. And tough. Also seemed like an important guy to have in the locker room.

Honorable mentions:

Jason Sanders - He was good. Not exciting when it is the kicker, but he mattered a fair bit.

Achane - Great in the passing game, less good in the running game. Not sure how much is him vs the OL, but in total, he did a lot.

Jonnu Smith - Good!

Question Mark:

Aaron Brewer - I was skeptical of the signing due to his size, and pass blocking issues. There was a point in the season where it seems like he was really good in all phases. But then, the pass blocking started to degrade, and he also started getting popped for critical holding calls. The run game degraded to terrible as well. Although he is meant to be a very good run blocker, it is probably more due to his ability to move than it is to push people backwards. At any rate, he is signed and he is the center. He is coming back. Given his profile, if he is center, we need two big nasty guards alongside him that can actually get push. So I am leaving Brewer as a question mark.

Three Down:

General point. Every single player that was handed a big new deal turned out to be varying degrees of disappointing. If that does not speak volumes, I don't know what does. Tua, Tyreek, Ramsey, Waddle, Armstead.

Tua - Pretty straightforward. Missed 6 games, including the two at the end. When he played, he was good, but not great. The completion % thing was way over-hyped. Didn't look even close to a $55mm a year elite QB. I do not fault Tua one bit for the way he got hurt. If the QB is on the field, they have to be able to run, and sometimes put themselves at risk to make a critical first down or a critical play. If you can't do that, you will never be a good NFL player. The concussion was a nothing play. Tua ran into the chest of a DB who was just standing there, and Tua knocked himself out. The problem was not the play, it was that the play knocked him out. It was a big nothing play. If you can't do that, you cannot be out there. Same thing for the play in the Houston game where he hurt his hip. A nothing play. Because they know Tua is a china doll, they can't run a real offense, and the whole thing is sub-optimized. Tua Tagovailoa has been hit 210 times since 2020. Joe Burrow has been hit 452 times since 2020. Tom Brady has been hit 211 times since 2020. I don't know how this thing ends, but end of day, if you play QB (or any position), you are exposed to risk. You cannot have a good offense if it is designed so the primary focus is to keep the QB from getting hurt. When you sign this sort of contract, you are held to an entirely different standard. You are getting paid that kind of money for a reason, and he did not come close to living up to that reason.

The offensive line - Glad you weren't worried about it Grier, but the whole thing sucked. Again.

Poyer - Awful. Even worse, we let Brandon Jones and DeShon Elliot go for nothing. And Van Ginkel for not much. I am going to vomit.

Dishonorable Mentions:

Holland, Tyreek, Waddle, Eichenberg, Rob Jones, Ramsey (fine but not good enough), Durham Smythe, Julian Hill, David Long, probably a few others.
Once again I agree with everything you wrote!! Really enjoy these!!
 
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