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I think the most disappointing aspect in our loss to Buffalo is that it shows this team is not progressing in talent. I did not think the fins would win today but I expected a closer football game and indications of a team on the upward rise. I have said it before and I say it again. The root problem with the Miami Dolphins is the front office. I am not willing to throw Coach Flores into that category yet as his team has not quit on him yet. I do think it is time to swing the microscope and start looking at those responsible for player personnel selections. The team has given benefit of the doubt as to bad picks and dismissed them from Grier's resume but I think with the recent exploits, it is fair to correlate them to his current selections. Let's face it, no matter what QB we put back there, they are going to get hurt with this bunch. This sounds like Tannehill 2.0 and yes, Grier was a part of the problem back then just as he is today. I have posted a litany of player selections he has whiffed on and he his batting average is below par. Grier has no idea how to select an offensive line. This has been a constant theme and the past and continues today. The common trait, Grier has been involved. This is year three of a rebuild and unfortunately, we are no closer to being a winning football franchise. We will be looking at another rebuild this offseason.
 
fins317 said:
I think the most disappointing aspect in our loss to Buffalo is that it shows this team is not progressing in talent. I did not think the fins would win today but I expected a closer football game and indications of a team on the upward rise. I have said it before and I say it again. The root problem with the Miami Dolphins is the front office. I am not willing to throw Coach Flores into that category yet as his team has not quit on him yet. I do think it is time to swing the microscope and start looking at those responsible for player personnel selections. The team has given benefit of the doubt as to bad picks and dismissed them from Grier's resume but I think with the recent exploits, it is fair to correlate them to his current selections. Let's face it, no matter what QB we put back there, they are going to get hurt with this bunch. This sounds like Tannehill 2.0 and yes, Grier was a part of the problem back then just as he is today. I have posted a litany of player selections he has whiffed on and he his batting average is below par. Grier has no idea how to select an offensive line. This has been a constant theme and the past and continues today. The common trait, Grier has been involved. This is year three of a rebuild and unfortunately, we are no closer to being a winning football franchise. We will be looking at another rebuild this offseason.
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While I agree with a lot of this, it’s only 2 games in. I do think we have struggled drafting OL, but we’ve also struggled coaching and developing them. You also can’t draft a bunch of big mauling Run blocking lineman and ask them to pass pro 50 times a game and be one dimensional. And I disagree about rebuilding a lot of this team is what we will have going forward. We will have cap space and picks to be flexible and make additions but the core of this team is here to stay for a bit
 
The roster feels like a mess. Lots of young players showing very little, particularly on the OL.

We lost Flowers, van Noy, Lawson, Karras and McCain from last year… who really got replaced? Only McCain. Where has the money gone?

We’re currently carrying almost $20m in dead cap. $15m more than Buffalo for example. That pays for two quality interior o linemen.

Throwing rookies and sophomores into pivotal roles all over the roster isn’t helping on Sundays and doesn’t appear to be helping development either. It feels like the entire roster is missing vets leaders.

It looks like they have completely murdered this roster on one offseason within which they had 4 top 50 picks. What a mess. If this carries on nobody should be safe. It’s about time we started respecting the salary cap and insisted upon a proper development environment. Enough is enough.
 
The OLINE is an abomination. Jackson and Davis specifically are both terrible. I’m not sure what can be done. You are right Flowers and Karras are not great but NFL lineman. I’m not sure how many of the 5 we are rolling with now can say the same. I don’t think we miss VanNoy or Lawson much but the lineman I agree. I don’t know why they were so damn cheap with the line. They really need to find a way to get Jackson and Davis off the field. We need guys who can at least get in the way out there.
 
Unless your name is David Byrne, you’re not going to burn down the house. Blowing up the whole roster is not the answer. An attitude adjustment is. It has to be a mixture of people who know their jobs and people who have a mean streak a mile wide in them.

For DECADES, the Dolphins have had too many players who are finesse players. From the mid-70s on, the Dolphins have never had answers for teams like the Oilers and Earl Campbell, the Steelers and the Steel Curtain, Washington and The Hogs and so on. And even for more finesse teams, like the 90s Bills, our finesse players were outplayed and out-schemed time and time again. And for the times that the team tried to draft “tough” players, for every Tim Bowens, there was a Keith Sims and Matt Roth.

It’s astonishing how for forty years now, this team has had no answer for when a team punches them in the mouth. It’s nothing new.
 
I'm not ready to burn it down just yet, but if this season doesn't show progression, then if I were Ross, I'd start over. Flores so far has shown himself to be good DC, and competent scout of defensive college prospects. He hasn't proven anything as a HC. The offense has been terrible for 3 years, and our Free Agency Acquisitions (which he supposedly has great input on) have been terrible.

Grier meanwhile has shown that he is able to wheel and deal to acquire picks, but the players he actually picks aren't developing. Normally I'd blame that mostly on the coaching staff for not developing, but many of the guys he has picked have been huge reaches (Igbo, Jackson, etc).

All in all, these guys have this year to try to turn this around, but if not, why would you give them another year? Even if they make yet another plan on how they are going to figure things out, do you trust them? Maybe you hire a Football Czar to be over top of the two guys, and oversee their decisions, if you think you can find a guy to fill that role (and I can think of no one off the top of my head to fill it).
 
I think Lawson we miss "more" simply due to the guy we traded him for didn't even make the team. One thing if we traded Lawson and got a starting run first ILB. We just shed his cap hit and are eating the prorated SB.

Dolphins lack the talent to win on either side of the trench.
No need to burn the house down roster wise, but if the team struggles the entire year maybe it's time to get a new GM first.
 
While I do agree with the lack of OL play, I feel that this loss was largely because of something I really haven't seen from a Coach Flo team... lack of discipline. It was truly a team loss! I think the blow out was more self inflicted rather than the Bills dominating us. Waiting so long to make adjustments on the blitz and play calling was on the Coaches. Dropped passes and turnovers were really unforced and all on the players and we left so many points on the field. The 9 penalties are really uncharacteristic of this team.
 
Always the answer after a tough loss. Burn it down and start again.

Fire everybody, cut all the players, hire a new coach and do it all again in 3 years.
 
Im not worried, teams get spanked sometimes. Patriots started their season 1-2 in 2018 losing to the jaguars and lions (spanked by the lions 26-10)

Then go and win a superbowl.

It's 2 games, take a chill people my brothers and relax.
 
This week, I'm hoping they insert Eichenburg at LT, move Hunt to RT, and insert Robert Jones (or Davis if absolutely necessary) at RG. It's not ideal, but I don't want to see Jackson and Davis line up at tackle anymore this season.

A new GM may also be needed if this team doesn't start playing better immediately.
 
look, we are still three years into this rebuild and while Grier is starting to get exposed here a team like goes thru bumps and bruises and loses to learn how to win. I agree that Flores has dropped the ball as far as OCs and his line coaches but I still believe he knows how to coach and will get it right.

Im not aware of any team that completely gutted the personnel, started over and was a SB winner overnight. This is going to be a process and if we keep blowing it up every three years we will never win anything.

Right now Ross needs to have a meeting with Grier and Grier needs to provide answers. If the line play doesn’t improve by years end then Ross needs to find a way to let Grier go and keep Flores unless the whole season crumbles then you look at Flores also.

As far as I’m concerned I’ve seen Flores take his team and jumped some hurdles and slayed some dragons along the way, things that no Miami coached has shown the last 20 years.

It was one game against a SB contender, I’m very concerned but not ready to tear it down yet. Every era that I’ve been watching the Fins there are always one game where we implode and nothing goes right. I remember when Marino played the Colts in the 90s and nothing went right from the beginning and we got crushed and even Marino couldn’t make it close. Did we forget about the Jaguars championship game??? It happens to every team
 
LibertineOneThree said:
The roster feels like a mess. Lots of young players showing very little, particularly on the OL.

We lost Flowers, van Noy, Lawson, Karras and McCain from last year… who really got replaced? Only McCain. Where has the money gone?

We’re currently carrying almost $20m in dead cap. $15m more than Buffalo for example. That pays for two quality interior o linemen.

Throwing rookies and sophomores into pivotal roles all over the roster isn’t helping on Sundays and doesn’t appear to be helping development either. It feels like the entire roster is missing vets leaders.

It looks like they have completely murdered this roster on one offseason within which they had 4 top 50 picks. What a mess. If this carries on nobody should be safe. It’s about time we started respecting the salary cap and insisted upon a proper development environment. Enough is enough.
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This is probably the best post I've read so far! I completely agree!
 
Racefan99 said:
This week, I'm hoping they insert Eichenburg at LT, move Hunt to RT, and insert Robert Jones (or Davis if absolutely necessary) at RG. It's not ideal, but I don't want to see Jackson and Davis line up at tackle anymore this season.

A new GM may also be needed if this team doesn't start playing better immediately.
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i said the same thing. don't want to see those 2 at the tackles
 
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