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Now that Penny is done for the season, the Dolphins officially are as well. We still are in the rebuilding phase and most likely will be for the next few years. Since we pretty much have no shot at a championship in the near future, I vote we start trading value players and stockpiling younger players and picks. The next couple of drafts figure to be well stacked with talent, and we could set ourselves up nicely if we focus entirely on the future. Here's my plan:

1. Keep all of the offensive linemen. Even though we may be able to get something for Vernon Carey, it is extremely important to develop Henne and White at the QB spot. Getting rid of O-linemen won't help us do that.

2. Joey Porter should be the first to go. He had a great year last year, but he is quickly moving past his prime and his value will most likely never be higher than now.

3. Ronnie Brown should also go. It is easy to find a RB that can put up good numbers in this league, and he has a marquee name. Ricky Williams can start in his place, and Cobbs and Hilliard still will provide solid depth. Our run #'s shouldn't take too much of a hit.

4. Jason Ferguson. He has been wonderful in stuffing the run the past two years, but he only has a few years left in the NFL. Let a guy like Paul Soliai get more reps. Also, the loss of a solid NT can help the LBs develop better techniques against the run. A dominating NT needs to be signed or drafted this offseason, with no exception.

5. The secondary. Trade Will Allen for whatever we can get. He has always relied on his speed and is starting to lose it. Start Smith and Davis. Also get rid of either Bell or Wilson. The two obviously cannot find a way to co-exist. Start Chris Clemons at the other spot. The secondary should be of high priority in the offseason.

6. ILB. See if any team will give decent value for either Ayodele or Crowder. This should also be a focus in the offseason, specifically for a player who has above average coverage skills.

The goal is to build a younger and cheaper team that will be able to contend in 3-4 years, rather than be average for the next 7-8. Let me know what you guys think.
 
I mean, it's time to REALLY clean house. Get whatever we can for anyone who can't help us 3-4 years from now.
 
fgrocker said:
I mean, it's time to REALLY clean house. Get whatever we can for anyone who can't help us 3-4 years from now.
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This theory would never work. No guarantee they stay here once they develop. Has to be a mix of solid play making vets and fresh new talent. We have no play making vets!
 
I agree with Porter.
Everything else is hogwash, seeing that we just cleaned house a year ago.
 
So you guys don't mind at all having worthless contracts on the roster like the ones Crowder, Allen, and Wilson recently signed for the next few years? How will that help the team at all?
 
You have a good plan, clean now for the future.
However, I would only pull the trigger on such a plan AFTER we know what we have in Henne.
If we have a bum - Scrap & retool
If we have a star - Hold on and continue with the young/a few old mix
 
The problem with stockpiling picks and prospects is that we already tried that for years and it didn't work for us. The reason being that if you trade a good player for a second round pick, and that second round pick turns out to be crappy (which is what practically every second round pick for most of the last decade has been), well then all you've done is lose a good player.

The only way these things work is if you can regularly bring in very good players with those draft picks. Can we do that, and assemble a good football team around it? We didn't before, and I'm not 100 percent positive we can do it again.

This isn't baseball, where you can trade starting players for multiple prospects that may end up much better than the guy you traded.
 
Seriously? Ronnie Brown and Furgeson have been some of the only players worth talking about this year.
 
Why do some people tend to assume that your top 1st/2nd/3rd round picks coming out of college are going to be better than the guys you already have on your team? Younger isn't always better you know. Having a roster full of good players around age 27 is probably the ideal. Not too young and inexperienced and not too banged up from being in the league for 15+ years either.

The NFL is composed of "the best of the best" from the college game going back maybe 20 years. Favre is 40 and still going strong apparently. He just can't quite kick his NFL addiction just yet. He wants to try to get just ONE more fix. He just might do it with the Vikings this year. They might be damn good.

Anyway, just making an NFL 53 man roster is an accomplishment for some of the best people who played in college. Plenty of FIRST rounders don't make it past a few years in the NFL.
 
I disagree on letting ronnie brown go

He is the one spectacular player we have on either side of the ball
 
fgrocker said:
Now that Penny is done for the season, the Dolphins officially are as well. We still are in the rebuilding phase and most likely will be for the next few years. Since we pretty much have no shot at a championship in the near future, I vote we start trading value players and stockpiling younger players and picks. The next couple of drafts figure to be well stacked with talent, and we could set ourselves up nicely if we focus entirely on the future. Here's my plan:

1. Keep all of the offensive linemen. Even though we may be able to get something for Vernon Carey, it is extremely important to develop Henne and White at the QB spot. Getting rid of O-linemen won't help us do that.

2. Joey Porter should be the first to go. He had a great year last year, but he is quickly moving past his prime and his value will most likely never be higher than now.

3. Ronnie Brown should also go. It is easy to find a RB that can put up good numbers in this league, and he has a marquee name. Ricky Williams can start in his place, and Cobbs and Hilliard still will provide solid depth. Our run #'s shouldn't take too much of a hit.

4. Jason Ferguson. He has been wonderful in stuffing the run the past two years, but he only has a few years left in the NFL. Let a guy like Paul Soliai get more reps. Also, the loss of a solid NT can help the LBs develop better techniques against the run. A dominating NT needs to be signed or drafted this offseason, with no exception.

5. The secondary. Trade Will Allen for whatever we can get. He has always relied on his speed and is starting to lose it. Start Smith and Davis. Also get rid of either Bell or Wilson. The two obviously cannot find a way to co-exist. Start Chris Clemons at the other spot. The secondary should be of high priority in the offseason.

6. ILB. See if any team will give decent value for either Ayodele or Crowder. This should also be a focus in the offseason, specifically for a player who has above average coverage skills.

The goal is to build a younger and cheaper team that will be able to contend in 3-4 years, rather than be average for the next 7-8. Let me know what you guys think.
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Yes the goal is to build a younger and cheaper team - but it isn't going to get fixed by trading guys on the other side of 30. Will Allen (not 30 yet), Ferguson and Porter have ZERO trade value so please understand that. Teams do not trade for guys like this. Heck, teams don't usually even trade for people. Teams are built through the draft and select FA signings. Our team just has not hit on enough draft picks for a decade.
 
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