Tony Dungy calls Tebow a top 5 pick

[jim1]

Florida quarterback Tim Tebow will be drafted higher than a lot of people think. But Tony Dungy takes that one further: Tebow's going to be a Top Five pick, as he said on Dan Patrick's radio show.

From the show's notes: "Dungy also had interesting comments on Tim Tebow. Dungy loves winners. He thinks Charlie Ward would have been a great NFL quarterback because he won at every level. Dungy said that Tebow is like that. He just wins, and that will translate to the NFL."
One thing that will help Tebow and probably factors into Dungy's thinking: Tampa Bay will have a Top 5 pick and might take Tebow for his box-office appeal as much as on-field talent. Jacksonville will have a high pick, too, and its owner is already on record saying that.

http://weblogs.sun-sentinel.com/sports/columnists/hyde/blog/2009/11/_1_sometimes_things_dont.html

 

[Namor]

Tony Dungy=savior of lost causes.

 

[Ricky4Life]

Why would Tampa take him if they have Freeman and Johnson, where would they look to put him?? Fullback??? They already have Winslow at TE. I can see Jacksonville take him if they are not moved to LA.

 

[Pachyderm_Wave]

Tony Dungy=savior of lost causes.

David Greene was a winner on every level too.....in fact...he's the all time winningest QB in D-1 history with 42 wins.....breaking Peyton Manning's record...

Greene is the SEC's all time leader in yards gained.....I believe he only lost 1 game as a starter his entire career in college...

Yes...this is the David Greene that the Seahawks drafted in the 3rd round that has NEVER played in an NFL game....

The problem that these guys run into is.....all those wins can't throw the football against NFL defenses for them....

Charlie Ward is the best college football player I've ever seen.....right up there with Herschel Walker, Tommy Frazier.............and Tim Tebow....

Ironically, 4 of them are quarterbacks.....and 3 of them never played a single down of NFL football....

 

[Finsfan79]

Ken Dorsey >>> Tim Teabow for an NFL QB and Dorsey was nothing special either.

Teabow is not a good NFL QB sorry he just doesnt got the arm, ability for his throws. He right now is a product of a system and product of talent about him.

 

[Clipse]

As what? A RB? FB? TE? Obviously not as a QB I hope.

 

[Valandui]

Tim Tebow will be the best FB in the league.

 

[jim1]

Ken Dorsey >>> Tim Teabow for an NFL QB and Dorsey was nothing special either.

Teabow is not a good NFL QB sorry he just doesnt got the arm, ability for his throws. He right now is a product of a system and product of talent about him.

Well, I already regret starting this thread. But that last statement is ridiculous. I'm not a Gators fan, but I've seen more crap written about Percy Harvin and Tim Tebow than I can believe. Harvin might well end up being the NFL rookie of the year. Tebow- I thought that he looked like crap in the 2 games after his concussion, but he's back on track. I think that he's got a good arm- the delivery is slightly slow, but not really that bad. The footwork comments I find overstated. He's got some power to his arm and I think that he's pretty accurate. Case in point the Oklahoma game last year- he was better than Bradford, and Bradford was a consensus top 5 pick before the shoulder injury.

Anyway, I've been through these Tebow wars- not interested anymore. But I'll just shake my head and laugh when I hear that he's nothing more than a TE, FB or HB prospect in the pros. We'll see. So far Dungy and Jon Gruden disagree, with gusto.

 

[Pachyderm_Wave]

Well, I already regret starting this thread. But that last statement is ridiculous. I'm not a Gators fan, but I've seen more crap written about Percy Harvin and Tim Tebow than I can believe. Harvin might well end up being the NFL rookie of the year. Tebow- I thought that he looked like crap in the 2 games after his concussion, but he's back on track. I think that he's got a good arm- the delivery is slightly slow, but not really that bad. The footwork comments I find overstated. He's got some power to his arm and I think that he's pretty accurate. Case in point the Oklahoma game last year- he was better than Bradford, and Bradford was a consensus top 5 pick before the shoulder injury.

Anyway, I've been through these Tebow wars- not interested anymore. But I'll just shake my head and laugh when I hear that he's nothing more than a TE, FB or HB prospect in the pros. We'll see. So far Dungy and Jon Gruden disagree, with gusto.

It's funny....I remember when the John Beckster's used to point to him outdueling Matt Ryan when he was a junior and Beck was already 24 years old in BYU's matchup with BC as to why Beck was going to be a better quarterback...

Here's the deal....Tebow wasn't better than Bradford in the NC game.....they both threw 2 TD's and 2 INT's......except Bradford passed for more yardage....

The difference? Bradford was facing a MUCH, MUCH tougher defense than Tebow was.....Florida won that game by stopping 2 Oklahoma drives inside the 5 yard line....one of them a goalline stop on 4th down....

Percy Harvin was the difference in that game.....his rushing performance is what bailed Tebow out....Bradford had literally no running game against Florida's defense...

There's a reason Tebow came back for his senior season after being given a 3rd round grade by an NFL Draft Advisory Committee last year.....because the knocks on him are legitimate when you project him to the NFL....they're not overstated...

It's not just his poor footwork....you'll find that out when he's asked to start taking snaps from under center and dropping back in post season workouts....

His delivery is much more than slightly low....it's slow as molasses.....he has a huge windup where he drops the ball below his waist on the way back.....which is what leads directly to fumbles when the OT steers a pass rusher past the quarterback....(the Kentucky game is a great example of this)....they can swipe the ball out of his hands....

QB coaches in the NFL will not stand for this.....he'll either correct it or he won't see the field as a quarterback unless they use him as some gimmick in a Wildcat type package out of the shotgun....period...

And you can't just drastically change the way a guy has thrown the football all his life.....it's a long process.....Tebow will have to be completely torn down and built back up in reguards to mechanics from the ground up to ever be a legitimate threat as a drop back passer in the NFL....

Tony Dungy likes him because of his intangibles and he's a good Christian kid......don't kid yourself....

Dungy is a defensive coach by trade anyway....and Gruden just loves to have a roster full of QB's that are no better than the other....

 

[ChambersWI]

Tebow has a lot of weaknesses, but let's not act like he's a scrub NFL prospect; he's just very raw due to the system. Tebow has decent size and a good arm (not great). He's got horrible mechanics and is not very accurate, but he's a QB prospect.

But let's remember, Jacksonville's owner came out and said he'd love for Tebow to be a Jag. Tebow is from Jacksonville, and the Jags are struggling to sell tickets. And a team with a great runningback like MJD, a decent (but young) OL, and some promising young WRs (and a decent TE) is the perfect spot for Superman.

 

[X-Pacolypse]

Tebow is an excellent college quarterback. As we all know, being a great college quarterback does not equate to success in the NFL. Tebow got eaten alive as a passer by a legitimate, Super Bowl winning, NFL defensive scheme when he faced the Vols and Monte Kiffin's D. I've stated Teblow's OBVIOUS flaws before and I don't feel like repeating myself right now. I will say this, if Jacksonville is dumb enough to draft him in the first round, I just hope they're prepared to look for another QB four years down the road when Tebow bombs.

 

[jim1]

It's funny....I remember when the John Beckster's used to point to him outdueling Matt Ryan when he was a junior and Beck was already 24 years old in BYU's matchup with BC as to why Beck was going to be a better quarterback...

Here's the deal....Tebow wasn't better than Bradford in the NC game.....they both threw 2 TD's and 2 INT's......except Bradford passed for more yardage....

The difference? Bradford was facing a MUCH, MUCH tougher defense than Tebow was.....Florida won that game by stopping 2 Oklahoma drives inside the 5 yard line....one of them a goalline stop on 4th down....

Percy Harvin was the difference in that game.....his rushing performance is what bailed Tebow out....Bradford had literally no running game against Florida's defense...

There's a reason Tebow came back for his senior season after being given a 3rd round grade by an NFL Draft Advisory Committee last year.....because the knocks on him are legitimate when you project him to the NFL....they're not overstated...

It's not just his poor footwork....you'll find that out when he's asked to start taking snaps from under center and dropping back in post season workouts....

His delivery is much more than slightly low....it's slow as molasses.....he has a huge windup where he drops the ball below his waist on the way back.....which is what leads directly to fumbles when the OT steers a pass rusher past the quarterback....(the Kentucky game is a great example of this)....they can swipe the ball out of his hands....

QB coaches in the NFL will not stand for this.....he'll either correct it or he won't see the field as a quarterback unless they use him as some gimmick in a Wildcat type package out of the shotgun....period...

And you can't just drastically change the way a guy has thrown the football all his life.....it's a long process.....Tebow will have to be completely torn down and built back up in reguards to mechanics from the ground up to ever be a legitimate threat as a drop back passer in the NFL....

Tony Dungy likes him because of his intangibles and he's a good Christian kid......don't kid yourself....

Dungy is a defensive coach by trade anyway....and Gruden just loves to have a roster full of QB's that are no better than the other....

Uh, who won MVP of that game? Tebow won it for a reason- he was the best player on the field. I watched that game intently. For Harvin, Loadholt, Tebow, Duke Robinson, Spikes, Louis Murphy. Tebow outplayed Bradford. Harvin was amazing on half of an ankle, but he didn't bail out Tebow. Tebow is in a system where he's looking to run/pass- his footwork is appropriate for what he's aked to do. His delivery is not that slow. He's got a good arm, I've seen him make some great throws- deep outs, slants, bombs, take your pick. Case in point the Alabama game- he made some very good throws in that one. When it comes to his mechanics I'll be my own judge- he'll adapt, and his arm will be fine. Reminds me of the argument that Harvin couldn't run the route tree- yeah, right.

Like I said earlier, I've been through the Tebow debates- not much interest in engaing in more. We'll see what happens.

 

[X-Pacolypse]

Uh, who won MVP of that game? Tebow won it for a reason- he was the best player on the field. I watched that game intently. For Harvin, Loadholt, Tebow, Duke Robinson, Spikes, Louis Murphy. Tebow outplayed Bradford. Harvin was amazing on half of an ankle, but he didn't bail out Tebow. Tebow is in a system where he's looking to run/pass- his footwork is appropriate for what he's aked to do. His delivery is not that slow. He's got a good arm, I've seen him make some great throws- deep outs, slants, bombs, take your pick. Case in point the Alabama game- he made some very good throws in that one. When it comes to his mechanics I'll be my own judge- he'll adapt, and his arm will be fine. Reminds me of the argument that Harvin couldn't run the route tree- yeah, right.

Like I said earlier, I've been through the Tebow debates- not much interest in engaing in more. We'll see what happens.

Yes, it is. Bryon Leftwich gets the ball out quicker than Tebow does, which is really saying something. Tebow has such a long and rather awkward wind up, shoot Gary Danielson made a point during the Georgia game that because Tebow holds the ball so low he's going to have major fumbling issues at the next level. And you know something? He's right! Tebow is not going to get that ball out on time against the likes of James Harrison, Terrell Suggs, Dwight Freeney, and all of the other elite pass rushers of the NFL.

 

[Pachyderm_Wave]

Uh, who won MVP of that game? Tebow won it for a reason- he was the best player on the field. I watched that game intently. For Harvin, Loadholt, Tebow, Duke Robinson, Spikes, Louis Murphy. Tebow outplayed Bradford. Harvin was amazing on half of an ankle, but he didn't bail out Tebow. Tebow is in a system where he's looking to run/pass- his footwork is appropriate for what he's aked to do. His delivery is not that slow. He's got a good arm, I've seen him make some great throws- deep outs, slants, bombs, take your pick. Case in point the Alabama game- he made some very good throws in that one. When it comes to his mechanics I'll be my own judge- he'll adapt, and his arm will be fine. Reminds me of the argument that Harvin couldn't run the route tree- yeah, right.

Like I said earlier, I've been through the Tebow debates- not much interest in engaing in more. We'll see what happens.

Tebow debates are the best......enjoy them while you can.....because there won't be any soon enough....

Winning the MVP doesn't mean you're the best player on the field.....just like winning the Heisman doesn't mean you're the best player in college football....

If you ask me....Gerald McCoy was the best player on the field in that game....

Pat White won the MVP of the Senior Bowl......you think he was the best player on the field?

Tebow's throws in the Alabama game were better than than the one's in the Oklahoma game....although all of his TD passes were short little throws from in the red zone....

His pick to Nick Harris was LATE and Harris got the jump on him because of his windup.....his pick to McCoy was just a bad read....it happens....

Do you have anything to support your arguement that Tebow outplayed Bradford other than you watched the game?....I watched it too....Percy Harvin was the MVP of that game IMO....

I've never seen a quarterback that throws passes as ugly as Tebow be successful in the NFL....

And there's a reason why quarterbacks from these type systems don't make it in the NFL.....it simply doesn't translate.....for several reasons....

If you understand the intracacies and philosophy behind the zone read/spread schemes......it's not all that complicated to realize why either....

 

[jim1]

Yes, it is. Bryon Leftwich gets the ball out quicker than Tebow does, which is really saying something. Tebow has such a long and rather awkward wind up, shoot Gary Danielson made a point during the Georgia game that because Tebow holds the ball so low he's going to have major fumbling issues at the next level. And you know something? He's right! Tebow is not going to get that ball out on time against the likes of James Harrison, Terrell Suggs, Dwight Freeney, and all of the other elite pass rushers of the NFL.

I've made a point of watching Tebow's delivery and footwork. I would call his delivery slightly awkward, but not that bad at all. Look at the throws at 1:30 and 2:50 on this clip- does that strike you as tremendously slow, molasses like? Not in my book, and I'd venture that I can throw a football better than the vast majority of people on this site. The point is that I draw my own conclusions- I'm not a Gator fan, but I saw in Harvin an uber talent and got reamed for it. I see potential in Tebow to be very good at the next level, and I think that his skills are dumped on regularly. It's just my opinion. Like I said, we'll see what happens with him in the pros.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fMPsSuPPXgw