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Tony Pauline says Chase doesn’t get past Fins at 3.

I see your point and even though it may not be ideal, you may be right. If we can only get a second to move back a couple spots and we can still get our guy, I think it's better than nothing.
Yeah, the idea of trading back is intoxicating isn't it!?!?!?!?! The problem comes in when you look at the board and realize that for your team there are only a handful of guys who are elite and will take your team to another level. For us, it's almost certainly a WR. Depending upon how you rate those guys, there's simply not a lot of room to trade back and get that elite guy. Then we have to calculate whether there's another Tee Higgins that may be available later ... and we don't really know how the Dolphins rate these guys. So, as they say, we need to find a dance partner to make it work. :/
 
the talent from 3-8 is relatively the same. If you can get anything to move back a few spots you have to do it. If you can pick from Waddle, Chase, Smith, and Pitts and still get a day 2 pick isnt that better than your pick of the litter?

Of course assuming you can even find a trade partner but with QB hungry teams and a few solid prospects this draft, odds are we can pull of some type of trade. #3 has more value this year than in other drafts.
 
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Reports here in Carolina are that Panthers are going to be aggressive finding a QB this off season. Peter King reported he expects carolina to go hard after Watson and if that doesnt happen, they are expected to trade up to make sure they get their QB. Carolina is absolutely a trade partner if they still haven't got a new QB come draft night.
Makes sense. Matt Rhule strikes me as the type who will evaluate the big picture correctly and make sure he has the trump card quarterback, no matter the cost. He's already had one season of evidence. Urban Meyer had the leverage to make sure it happened as condition of entering the league. Rhule wasn't on that level.
 
I wouldn't draft a wide receiver based on separation. Competitiveness is the key variable at wide receiver. That's why so many top picks at the position fail, because they can't deal with the round by round boxing aspect of wide receiver vs cornerback in the NFL.

Bottom line, if it looks like separation at the college level it won't be similar separation at the NFL level. Not even close. That's why the top criteria has to be the plucky guy, the one with athletic arrogance who will assert his superiority at the critical junction of hands. That is the make or miss element of the NFL.

I'm not saying I know who that is, in this debate. It needs to be the focus. You can't have a stable of low-separation guys. That's rare. Quite the feat for the Dolphins personnel guys to accomplish is. But I think the group element of low separation is causing the overreaction toward the variable and away from the vital pluckiness.

I like to make evaluations as if I never saw anything. It lends to greatest clarity, IMO. That's why I'm never impressed with anyone who brags about watching games or watching tape. Subjectivity leads astray. The Brady vs Belichick debate fooled people who watched the games...the details, the so-called strategy. They convinced themselves it had to be the head coach. But if you woke up out of a coma and saw nothing but the bottom line then it would be immediately 100% obvious it had to be the quarterback.

In Chase vs. Smith if I never saw anything I would pick the Chase blueprint and resume. But either one is fine. Seemingly there are more urgent topics.

I honestly can't believe anyone is being criticized for opting out. If I were owner I would use that as immediate black mark not toward any player but toward any general manager or scout who now brings it up. Those guys opted out when a once-per-century pandemic was raging, with uncertain dimension. I am actually far more impressed with the kids who opted out in the backwards states, than a kid like Sewell.

Also, I need to thank this thread for great evidence of why I eventually chose not to debate back and forth on message boards, especially sports message boards. It looks ridiculous, even when it involves two top posters, per this example. It actually looks even more ridiculous when it involves two top posters. Nobody changes their mind. It stands out as a colossal waste of time. That type of debate is fine in person. We used to do it literally all night in the sportsbooks. But then we'd grab early breakfast and it would be forgotten the next day. That's not the dynamic on message boards. The tension lingers. I eventually figured it out but it required several years. Now I'll debate back and forth on true crime forums but not elsewhere. That is a more reasonable population, probably because it's largely female.
 
Yeah, the idea of trading back is intoxicating isn't it!?!?!?!?! The problem comes in when you look at the board and realize that for your team there are only a handful of guys who are elite and will take your team to another level. For us, it's almost certainly a WR. Depending upon how you rate those guys, there's simply not a lot of room to trade back and get that elite guy. Then we have to calculate whether there's another Tee Higgins that may be available later ... and we don't really know how the Dolphins rate these guys. So, as they say, we need to find a dance partner to make it work. :/
If Atlanta is in the quarterback market, trading down one spot would be nice. Miami could probably add a 2nd round pick from the Falcons.

Obviously, that's less of a return than what the Dolphins could get. But it works if there's a player you really have to have and you know Atlanta is picking a quarterback.
 
I keep looking at all the receivers, and the best one seems to be Kyle Pitts.

I will be very curious how he runs at combine/pro day, but I see a better receiver than any other on the board in him.
 
I keep looking at all the receivers, and the best one seems to be Kyle Pitts.

I will be very curious how he runs at combine/pro day, but I see a better receiver than any other on the board in him.
Agree 100%. You can also get a solid WR with 18 or one of the 2nd rounders most likely. Pitts is a freak, as a biased Gator alum, its still obvious this guy is far and away the best talent and a matchup nightmare. He is Kelce potential.
 
We get chase we have an average line again. We are missing a piece or two at the line. We draft another OL outside of 3rd we are going to get serviceable guys. With a qb gradually getting his strength back you needs to give him the best. Chase or Smith may end up bombing. Neither are Julio Jones type of wr.
 
Agree 100%. You can also get a solid WR with 18 or one of the 2nd rounders most likely. Pitts is a freak, as a biased Gator alum, its still obvious this guy is far and away the best talent and a matchup nightmare. He is Kelce potential.

I also see a guy who can be a WR/TE hybrid plus when I compare Pitts and DK Williams, I do not see much difference in speed or body control but Pitts is bigger at 6-6".

I am curious if he becomes our BIG WR plus has be the ability to be a matchup nightmare for the other team if we goto 2TE @ 2WR either a small CB has to cover him or a S/LB.

At this moment I see him as a very interesting player depending on how he runs, but his tape is nice....(except the blocking...lol).
 
During these debates on who to take at 3, I always get hit by the realization of the opportunity Houston stupidly handed us.

I remember even late in the season we were praying this pick would remain top 10. Now, outside of QB's, we got first dibs.

Basically what I'm saying is BOB is the best Fins GM in decades.
 
I don't agree that we automatically struggle on OL. Great OLs are built over time. It's more about continuity and learning to play together than individual talent. It's more important to have no weak spots than it is to have any one OL guy be great. We just spent three high picks on the OL and we have a coaching staff that believes and focuses on player development. I see continuity and player development as the path to finally fixing our OL. For the past decade or so we have chased the high OL pick or the FA signing that would fix our OL. That strategy doesn't work.
 
All because Smith said, he prefers Jones over Tua. Lmaooooo

This does not help, but if Chase shows out, there is a legit argument he is top guy coming out of the draft. It already is. He is bigger and explosive, rested up... LSU WRs have better track record and he seems to be the most nuanced and well developed of all LSU WRs, who have done better in recent history. Sign me up with Chase at 3.

This is where we have to rely on our talent evaluation from our GM. I won't cry if they grab Smith. But who can honestly sit here and say they are not annoyed about Smith's recent comments? Or concerned about his size? I am doing a deep dive into Ja'Marr before even considering any other skill players at that spot. I won't be mad over either, I have been crazy about Smith as our new WR1 for a while now, but over time I am thinking Chase is that dude.
 
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