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Leon Hall: descent but not great, did not play well against receivers that actually had talent and there are a lot of those in the nfl. can anyone say jamar fletcher prototype?

Ted Ginn: excellent return man, just above average receiver in college making him a below average receiver in the nfl. he is a slot type receiver without the body size or route running ability to play against bump and run physical corners in the nfl. (yeah speed is a deep threat type receiver, but he is not the greatest at adjusting to long ball that is off target thus making him a slot receiver) pure speed project wide receivers can be had in the later rounds.

Brady Quinn: starting to drop on boards and could make it to us. Why draft someone that is pretty much going to be average to slightly above average qb in the nfl and used to manage games? QBs should either be drafted because you know they have 'it' and get them early, or there is a huge potential to have 'it' but need developing and you draft them in the way later rounds. No QB in this draft has 'it' but there are a few that have the potential to have 'it' and I say we get them in the later rounds.
 
umpalu said:
Leon Hall: descent but not great, did not play well against receivers that actually had talent and there are a lot of those in the nfl. can anyone say jamar fletcher prototype?

Ted Ginn: excellent return man, just above average receiver in college making him a below average receiver in the nfl. he is a slot type receiver without the body size or route running ability to play against bump and run physical corners in the nfl. (yeah speed is a deep threat type receiver, but he is not the greatest at adjusting to long ball that is off target thus making him a slot receiver) pure speed project wide receivers can be had in the later rounds.

Brady Quinn: starting to drop on boards and could make it to us. Why draft someone that is pretty much going to be average to slightly above average qb in the nfl and used to manage games? QBs should either be drafted because you know they have 'it' and get them early, or there is a huge potential to have 'it' but need developing and you draft them in the way later rounds. No QB in this draft has 'it' but there are a few that have the potential to have 'it' and I say we get them in the later rounds.
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So...do you say we take Dwayne Jarrett then instead? I think he would become a very good RZ WR in the NFL...but Calvin Johnson is not an ordinary human being...hes a rare occurance...ala Jerry Rice, Randy Moss, Terrell Owens, Marvin Harrison, etc. and I say we do everything we can to move up to grab him...because if you EVER want to take a 1-5 caliber player in your coaching career without having to suck *** in the reg. season it would be wise to do it when you're within the top10 of the draft so it wont cost nearly as much as it potentially could later on. If we were to take calvin johnson we could be a superbowl contender EASY with the combination of chambers and calvin and hopefully booker (considering we dont use him as bait if we traded up) ...i can only hope
 
I definitely agree with the 1st two, however Quinn I cant agree on. The guy has a horrible offensive line and still doesnt make mistakes. He had what, something like 36 touchdowns and 7 Ints all season, thats a good ratio if you ask me. The guy had one bad game and he's being called overrated. Imagine if Peyton Manning comes into the game for the first time in his career against KC in the playoffs. Would we say, oh this mans garbage, he threw 3 picks. No, you look at the guys career. Same with quinn, his career is great. NDs defense is what made Quinn and ND as a whole look so bad. If Quinn falls to us, I say we go for him. Otherwise Id go with Levi Brown, or trade down and snag Dwayne Bowe before someone takes him. Scouts are in love with this guy, calling him a faster version of Anquin Boldin.
 
Hall is much more physical then fletcher ever was and possesses the upper body stregnth that fletcher lacked at the point of attack to deliver a jam to a bigger wr. Hall is also fast enough with better change of direction to cover 1-1, something fletcher never was. If you ever watched fletcher in coverage he wasnt fluid, his hips were awkward and bigger wr's just blew past him at the line, similar to will allen more then anyone else. Hall is more like a better version fo corey webster, hes faster and better hips then webster has though. Hes not my first choice (Levi Brown is) but i couldnt kill a pick of hall.

Ginn - I agree. Not a fan. More hype then he deserves imo. Leaves a lot to be desired as a route runner, hands are decent, not good, ok as a run blocker. His value is strictly as a KR/PR, flanker to stretch a D on the outside to allow chambers to play the slot where he played his best over the years.

Quinn - I dont agree or disagree yet, i want to see more of quinn before i make a call either way.

My list would be Ginn, JaMarcus Russell, Justin Blalock

Russell I put on here because hes a guy who loves to throw downfield a lot and im not sure how well that will work in the pro's. His accuracy on short and intermediate passes in my opinion leaves a lot to be desired as he fails to recognize defenses and fails to look off the receivers long enought o create windows to throw through. He holds the ball too long at times and i think he may fall further then expected if hes not the raiders pick.

Blalock is on here because even though hes a good player, hes a 1st round talent without a position. Hes been a LT all through college but at 6'3 he may be too small to be a tacklem, either RT or LT, as a pro. At 6'3" I dont know that he will play with enough leverage to be a guard. Hes talented but hes also without a real position right now.
 
I believe Blalock has only played tackle because other players were injured. This may noy have been they case through out his career, but im almost certian that it was for this year.
 
umpalu said:
Leon Hall: descent but not great, did not play well against receivers that actually had talent and there are a lot of those in the nfl. can anyone say jamar fletcher prototype?

Ted Ginn: excellent return man, just above average receiver in college making him a below average receiver in the nfl. he is a slot type receiver without the body size or route running ability to play against bump and run physical corners in the nfl. (yeah speed is a deep threat type receiver, but he is not the greatest at adjusting to long ball that is off target thus making him a slot receiver) pure speed project wide receivers can be had in the later rounds.

Brady Quinn: starting to drop on boards and could make it to us. Why draft someone that is pretty much going to be average to slightly above average qb in the nfl and used to manage games? QBs should either be drafted because you know they have 'it' and get them early, or there is a huge potential to have 'it' but need developing and you draft them in the way later rounds. No QB in this draft has 'it' but there are a few that have the potential to have 'it' and I say we get them in the later rounds.
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I disagree. I think Quinn has "it". He's thrived in a pro-style offense and he may actually be better than Matt Leinart coming into the draft. Leinart had a pretty decent rookie season considering the circumstances and a lot of people were ready to label him as a bust. I think Quinn's the better passer and definitely is physically better. The guy went under a shoddy OL last season and still put up respectable numbers but most importantly wins. I came off really impressed by him when he had to face our two-headed sack monsters Hickman (who I think can make a pretty good sleeper DE/OLB in the pros) and Davis (likewise). He managed to beat us in a clutch play and the fact that I'm still supporting him as a possible Dolphins candidate means a lot. He can make it up by pulling off come from behind wins for the Phins. :wink:
 
Boik14 said:
Hall is much more physical then fletcher ever was and possesses the upper body stregnth that fletcher lacked at the point of attack to deliver a jam to a bigger wr. Hall is also fast enough with better change of direction to cover 1-1, something fletcher never was. If you ever watched fletcher in coverage he wasnt fluid, his hips were awkward and bigger wr's just blew past him at the line, similar to will allen more then anyone else. Hall is more like a better version fo corey webster, hes faster and better hips then webster has though. Hes not my first choice (Levi Brown is) but i couldnt kill a pick of hall.

Ginn - I agree. Not a fan. More hype then he deserves imo. Leaves a lot to be desired as a route runner, hands are decent, not good, ok as a run blocker. His value is strictly as a KR/PR, flanker to stretch a D on the outside to allow chambers to play the slot where he played his best over the years.

Quinn - I dont agree or disagree yet, i want to see more of quinn before i make a call either way.

My list would be Ginn, JaMarcus Russell, Justin Blalock

Russell I put on here because hes a guy who loves to throw downfield a lot and im not sure how well that will work in the pro's. His accuracy on short and intermediate passes in my opinion leaves a lot to be desired as he fails to recognize defenses and fails to look off the receivers long enought o create windows to throw through. He holds the ball too long at times and i think he may fall further then expected if hes not the raiders pick.

Blalock is on here because even though hes a good player, hes a 1st round talent without a position. Hes been a LT all through college but at 6'3 he may be too small to be a tacklem, either RT or LT, as a pro. At 6'3" I dont know that he will play with enough leverage to be a guard. Hes talented but hes also without a real position right now.
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if there is a potential for huge bust i put it on russell. He has huge upside but i could see him pulling a aaron brooks on whoever drafts him.
 
russell is a prototypical bust. huge arm, but not the best decision-maker, and he's not a hard worker. almost every bust has those traits, it's amazing.
 
UF Fin Kat said:
russell is a prototypical bust. huge arm, but not the best decision-maker, and he's not a hard worker. almost every bust has those traits, it's amazing.
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Can't argue with that.
 
My feeling on the Qb's in the draft is a crap shoot look at past history
alot of times the top guys dont work wheather it is the coaching or the system there put into.Over the past year quaterbacks like Ryan Leaf,Akili Smith,Tim Couch,David Klingler,Rick Mirer,Heath Shuler and Jim Drunkenmiller etc now the quaterbacks that were taken after the 1st round who became good nfl quaterbacks Brett Favre,Tent Green,Jake Plummer,Matt Hasselback,Mark Bulger,Tom Brady,Drew Brees,Matt Schaub,The only point Im Trying to make is I am always leary to pull the trigger with a top 10 pick fo a quaterback here is a list of quaterbacks that worked out since the early 90's drafted in the top 10

Drew Bledsoe
Steve Mcnair
Peyton Manning
Donovan McNabb
Carson Palmer

5 quater backs in the last 16 years taken in the top ten of the 1st round
I myself dont like the odds
 
Your stoned dude, Quinn will not be a bust. He will need some teaching but in two maybe three years he will be a quality starting QB somewhere in this league. I would take Johnson or Jarrette at #9 but if they are gone I would address other needs but either of those guys would be hard to pass up if they are there when we pick.
 
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