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Top clutch QBs in the NFL heading into 2023 season

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fin007 said:
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Ranking NFL's top 10 clutch QBs: No surprise at No. 1, Tua Tagovailoa high on list, Jared Goff makes cut

These are the 10 most clutch starting QBs in the NFL today
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Tua ranked 2nd.

Not much into subjective rankings and ranking lists, but since nothing else going on, I will post this.
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Interesting.

It isn't really all that subjective, though. He used, and explained the two stats he was using. You can debate if they are good indicators, maybe others should be included, weighted, etc., but it is a statistical analysis, rather than eyeball test conjecture.

I give Tua credit, but I also have to give McD and his system credit too for the huge leap forward offensively.

Year two should be exciting.
 
Mach2 said:
Interesting.

It isn't really all that subjective, though. He used, and explained the two stats he was using. You can debate if they are good indicators, maybe others should be included, weighted, etc., but it is a statistical analysis, rather than eyeball test conjecture.

I give Tua credit, but I also have to give McD and his system credit too for the huge leap forward offensively.

Year two should be exciting.
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That's what I was going to say, it was a pretty "objective" analysis.
 
One thing that the author touched upon, but didn't belabor-- was interceptions, and I think this is a key omission.
In today's more offensive minded style of football, we've all noted that creating turnovers in a game is one of the biggest keys to winning that game... and Tua just doesn't turn the ball over much.
Yes, he's fumbled a bit more than we'd like, but this also results from holding the ball too long-- as he has had a tendency to do (but this is correctable).

So... what I'm getting at is that his lack of interceptions prevents us from being in dire end-game situations to begin with. You don't need late game heroics if you lead your team to a lead early.
 
fin007 said:
www.cbssports.com

Ranking NFL's top 10 clutch QBs: No surprise at No. 1, Tua Tagovailoa high on list, Jared Goff makes cut

These are the 10 most clutch starting QBs in the NFL today
www.cbssports.com www.cbssports.com

Tua ranked 2nd.

Not much into subjective rankings and ranking lists, but since nothing else going on, I will post this.
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So great that someone saw that. I reached a point with Tua and the Dolphins, where if Miami was winning or down by 14 or less after the 1st half, I felt good, If Tua was within 7 or less going into the 4th, I just sat back with a huge smile on my face, because Miami was about to win.

Tua and the offense seemed to take it up a few notches going into the 2nd half, and going into the 4th, nobody was better before Tua started taking shots.
 
It’s nice when someone puts some data up behind what your eyes have been telling you. Tua has had an “it” thing going on since the beginning really. He plays his best ball in the 4th quarter. Marino was the last QB we had who got better as the game went on. Everyone between those two either got worse or stayed the same / didn’t step up consistently in crunch time. It’s great knowing you have a chance when you fall behind now
 
Some people try too hard to come across as intellectual and “smaht”. 😂
 
Not to **** on this premise or on Tua but how can he be the #2 "clutch" QB, when he seems to be injured when it's truly time to be clutch at the end of seasons?

I get that there are factors and stats you can look at and say, in the 4th quarter, when trailing Tua is good at this or that, but I'd argue if a player isn't able to play at the end of the season and misses your playoff game, he has no business being labeled the 2nd most "clutch" qb in the league.

If you wanna say, statistically he's the 2nd best qb in the 4th quarter, I can get on board with that but being "clutch" starts with you playing in the games that are most important and delivering in the biggest moments. For example, Brady was "clutch" Adam Vinatieri was "clutch" Mahomes is "clutch." This is not Tua sadly, Tua has been awful late in seasons (when he's healthy) and last year missed our most important game in 20 odd years..... that's the opposite of "clutch"
 
Most comments that shet on people are usually prefaced with the statement, “not to shet on [insert topic], but ….”

Same approach is often used with the statement “with all due respect…”. Right after that prefatory statement, the speaker then embarks on speaking disrespectfully.

😂
 
MrChadRico said:
Not to **** on this premise or on Tua but how can he be the #2 "clutch" QB, when he seems to be injured when it's truly time to be clutch at the end of seasons?

I get that there are factors and stats you can look at and say, in the 4th quarter, when trailing Tua is good at this or that, but I'd argue if a player isn't able to play at the end of the season and misses your playoff game, he has no business being labeled the 2nd most "clutch" qb in the league.

If you wanna say, statistically he's the 2nd best qb in the 4th quarter, I can get on board with that but being "clutch" starts with you playing in the games that are most important and delivering in the biggest moments. For example, Brady was "clutch" Adam Vinatieri was "clutch" Mahomes is "clutch." This is not Tua sadly, Tua has been awful late in seasons (when he's healthy) and last year missed our most important game in 20 odd years..... that's the opposite of "clutch"
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Maybe you need to email the writer and see why he gave Tua so much credit. Maybe he didnt mention his eye test actually told him in the clutch moments, or the 4th qtr game on the line, Tua wouldnt turn the ball over like the Herberts and the Allens of the league.
 
fin007 said:
Most comments that shet on people are usually prefaced with the statement, “not to shet on [insert topic], but ….”

Same approach is often used with the statement “with all due respect…”. Right after that prefatory statement, the speaker then embarks on speaking disrespectfully.

😂
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I love Tua, but to me he has yet to measure up to my definition of clutch. That's all I'm saying. He's very good... he might even be a great football player, but you gotta play in big games and deliver in those game to be deemed "clutch" IMO
 
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