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TRUTH finally surfacing. did YOU drink the kool-aide?

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in the wake of ceserio himself debunking all the media lies about his interview today, i felt some around here needed some clarifiaction, some facts, some insight.


I am not sure there is really anyone that is defending the hiring process. It was a disaster and we ended up with a guy way down the list.


WOW, WOW, WOW!!! i can not believe how many people drank the media hype in gulps!!!


so many people bashing the media, especially the dolphins beat writers and all of a sudden, all these haters with their mis information are now rock solid!!


it was up in the air, so many rumors, is aponte the boss, will the GM be his own guy, etc.... , well, we have a thread posted last night that clarified all that.


HICKEY is his own boss [outside the owner]. he is dawn apontes boss [as it should be]. he is responsable for the draft and free agents.


PHILBIN decides who plays and coaches the team, who sits, who he wants to cut. as it should be.


DAWN APONTE does what she does "best", counts beans, does contracts. again, as it should be.


SO WHAT IS ALL YOU GUYS MAJOR MALFUNCTION? hey, i was concerned about many of the things floating around, especially the aponte mafia. but the PROOF is in the pudding. ross said after canning ireland that the new gm would be his OWN BOSS and absolutely in charge of all personnel, and he kept his word. as was pointed out last night, FROM THE DOLPHINS!! no aponte mafia. no philbin and dawn running the gm and being HIS boss. we are, as of now, a very generic front office. nfl standard. GOOD!! all these writers who said the candidates were RUNNING AWAY from the finz because of the goofy, un-clarified power structure is now DEBUNKED!! just like the media, they created a story and all of them but a SMALL few went for it and wouldnt let it go. heard ANY of those candidate say they didnt like the structure? that is was confusing? no. the onlyh ones we hear that from is...... THE MEDIA!!! it was UP FRONT TO EVERYONE, BEFORE THEY CAME TO INTERVIEW THAT philbin WAS GOING NOWHERE!!


but they made it look like the candidates all wanted philbin gone and were blind sided. not so. all media talk.


"BUT NRA, you dont understand, he was bottom of the barrel, way down on the list". WRONG, WRONG, WRONG!!! hickey was an EARLY interview. and he was the ONLY candidate the media reported "knocked it out of the park"!! everyone in the room highly impressed [and i believe aponte was in that interview].


AND PEOPLE DONT GET THE FACT that schedules are involved, both with the owner and the candidates. some of the people have to wait for permission to interview. some guys who agreed to interview may have had a commitment prior that had to be taken care of, logistics, is the owner going to THEIR place or is the candidate coming to miami? does the candidates WIFE want to live in south florida, do they want to uproot their family and kids lives. those thing have to be settled by some candidates BEFORE agreeing or asking for an interview. the order of the candidates interviews generally has NOTHING to do with who is favored over who. you cant read into who is favored by WHEN they were interviewed. and i believe that after hickeys "out of the park" interview, HE was the guy to beat. all the others, before and after were competing with HIM!!


the only caveat in this is if there is ONE guy they want far and away over the others. they get that guy in off the bat, especially if there is going to be lots of competition for said candidate. GAMBLE may have been that guy, but, we will never know as he is locked into his home team, decided to stay near his elderly parents and with a team who is a LEGIT contender. cant blame him much.


so, we now know, from a finz source, that everything ross said would happen DID. the media spinned a lot of garbage, many have fallen for it. but we got a BIG TIME talent guy, his forte, which is what was needed in our gm more than anything else. he is his own boss, doesnt answer to aponte as the media tried so hard to portray. the structure is STANDARD NFL, nothing wacky, no 3 headed monster over the gm. SO WHAT IS YOU GUYS PROBLEM EXACTLY?


TONY DUNGY: yeah, he generaly takes the high road when asked about people. BUT, think about it! hickey has been involved with the bucs talent for 18 YEARS!! all of that AWSOME TALENT, PRO BOWLERS IN DROVES, A COUPLE SURE FIRE HALL OF FAMERS that got tony on the map [and that talent winning a superbowl] you have to say HE WASNT FLUFFING!! NO HIGH ROAD!! tony had more talent on his bucs team than he knew what to do with. THATS proof!! and good reason why he TRULY liked the guy. he said all i need to know, dennis is a "top flight football man"!! we need that.


but go right ahead folks. put the blinders on because YOU swallowed the media hype and and cant let go that irelands lacky gaine didnt get the gig [the right move by ross again]. i will stay with the proof of whats happening in the organization and the PROVEN talent man.
 
What many people fail to understand is that it takes good chemistry and cohesiveness to establish a winning organization. From the top level management, on down to the roster.
Many talented teams under achieve every year, because of poor coaching, poor team chemistry or both. The most talented teams don't always come together.
Many things have to fall into play for a team to have success. Sometimes, there has to be a little luck too. Every personnel chnage you make comes with its inherent risk. No personnel change is a guarantee for success.
I never thought Pete Carroll would succeed in the NFL as a HC based on what I witnessed in the early 90's, yet here he is coaching in a SB.
If Philbin and Hickey develop a harmonious relationship, this team will have success.
It is apparent that there was friction between JP and JI last yr and that had to have affected JP in some way.
Lets put away the pitchforks and torches and see how this plays out.
The media has turned this into a circus, but the assume many things and don't always know what goes on behind closed doors.
 
There are spin jobs everywhere. So many double stories out there. I do not think anything was "debunked" over the last 24 hours. In fact, there is more confusion of what really went on IMO.

All I know is about four GM candidates did not sit down for an interview. Ray Farmer said "no thanks" to a finalist interview. Nick Caserio and Lake Dawson said "no" to the job. Jeff Ireland walked away from this post.

Dennis Hickey was the last man standing. There is something fundamentally wrong here. I am sorry for fans that think this was a cohesive and well organized process.
 
What a load of drivel. We got the very last guy we wanted while getting rejected by candidates who had no business rejecting anybody. Put on your aqua colored glasses and spin it anyway u want but we got the guy on the bottom of the list.
 
Here's the truth... 2 guys turned down a job making a few million a year and Hickey the 3rd choice got the benefits. Hopefully he does a great job! Let's go Dolphins!
 
There are spin jobs everywhere. So many double stories out there. I do not think anything was "debunked" over the last 24 hours. In fact, there is more confusion of what really went on IMO.

All I know is about four GM candidates did not sit down for an interview. Ray Farmer said "no thanks" to a finalist interview. Nick Caserio and Lake Dawson said "no" to the job. Jeff Ireland walked away from this post.

Dennis Hickey was the last man standing. There is something fundamentally wrong here. I am sorry for fans that think this was a cohesive and well organized process.

I wasn't aware that you were a fly on the wall during this whole process. Im sorry you torture yourself so much over this and let your cynical imagination run wild.
 
There are spin jobs everywhere. So many double stories out there. I do not think anything was "debunked" over the last 24 hours. In fact, there is more confusion of what really went on IMO.

All I know is about four GM candidates did not sit down for an interview. Ray Farmer said "no thanks" to a finalist interview. Nick Caserio and Lake Dawson said "no" to the job. Jeff Ireland walked away from this post.

Dennis Hickey was the last man standing. There is something fundamentally wrong here. I am sorry for fans that think this was a cohesive and well organized process.

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A lot of candidates just wanted a raise. Farmer has no drafting experience. Cesario wanted to bring in McDaniels. Dawson is nothing special. Gaine is Ireland-light. If Tannehill improves, he will bring in free agents. Forget about yesterday, the future is and will be as bright as our talent base. We need to improve OL, RB, LB and defensive scheme. We need a seem busting TE. We almost made the playoffs this year while regressing on defense. If we can pound the rock, we will be ready for the playoffs next year.
 
I am totaly rooting for our new GM to do agreat job but nothing's going to make me feel any different about the real facts that Ross DID NOT ge hs top choice and he has noone to lame but himself. He was going to keep Philbin no matter what and that turned away several good candidates. It might work out in the end for us with this guy but the whole proceses was a joke and everyoe is laughing at us right now. Spin it and twist it all you want but no way did we get Ross's top choice. As usual, we settle for what was left!!

Ozzy rules!!
 
Unless the GM hire is somehow going to put on pads and open holes on the O-line.....this story is getting old.

Lets see how he does. Lots of good opportunities ahead of us for analysis of his performance.

NRA makes an excellent point about Hickey's interview and the lack of attention this got through both the media and on this site. I realize there are some here who wanted Mangini...then Farmer....then Gaine...and are disappointed with the hire, but lets give the guy an opportunity before we push him off the ledge.
 
I am sorry for fans that think this was a cohesive and well organized process.
Why the hell are you feeling sorry for them? They're the same fans who delude themselves about everything having to do with the Dolphins. They're the ones who in a few weeks will start up with the "Dolphins are going to go 12-4 and win the AFC East, Patriots are washed up" crap, same as every year. They're the ones who thought Sparano was the next Belichick and that Ronnie Brown was going to leave the team, go to the Patriots, and turn into Earl Campbell circa 1978.

Feel sorry for the fans who realize that this team has been an unmitigated cluster---- for about 10 years now. And feel really sorry for the fans who remember when this team was actually fun to follow and competently run.
 
I'm happy to give him his chance...hopefully the three-headed monster can work together to get a consistent winner out on the field for the next decade. But I'm not foolish enough to believe the process was ideal, or that we got our first choice. And I agree that at this point, there is no one to blame but Ross. Too many things have gone awry with this franchise since Ross came on board. Tuna(not a fan, but I respect his place in football) wanted out pretty much from day 1. Ireland was not a very good GM, the Harbaugh/Sparano debacle, then hiring a coach the GM didn't want(Philbin over McCoy), to Bullygate, to Sherman being forced out even though Philbin wanted to keep him, to Ireland walking away after refusing a demotion, to the capologist being involved in coaching and GM hiring decisions....all of that led us to where we are.....no one has any faith the front office/coaching staff/owner are going to be able to get it figured out. Most good GM candidates would look and assume(justifiably so) that we are now quickly becoming the Detroit Lions under Matt Millen(a dysfunctional mess).

Hopefully the big 3 can work together and prove everyone wrong. And if they can....hopefully they stay together for a decade. But if 2 years from now we're still a sub 500 team, I want Ross to blow it up. Get rid of everyone, and pay whatever it takes to get a Harbaugh or a Chin, or offer Belichick the first 20 million a year contract, to come in and right the ship. Or sell the team. I can't go through another decade of one playoff game.
 
I swallowed like a... well... you know where Im going with that.

But its not about my private home life (rofl), its about the public shalacking.

I also do not like tha Philbin cannot contest Hi key if Hickey goes fully retarted in the draft.
 
Farmer was not going anywhere-his dad is really sick and that's why he moved to Philly-no problem
Licht decided to take the sure thing in Tampa rather than a probable thing in Miami-no problem
Decosta has been promised the job when Ozzie steps down; he never seriously interviews for any GM post-no problem
Caserio wanted the power to fire Philbin; he would not take the job without it-some have made this out to be a big deal, but I don't think it is. It's Ross' money, he trusts Philbin, and wants him coaching, period. There were two GM jobs available this off-season. Neither allowed you the power to fire the coach.
Dawson is the only one that makes me wonder why he turned it down. But that's really only one man.
 
Unless the GM hire is somehow going to put on pads and open holes on the O-line.....this story is getting old.

Lets see how he does. Lots of good opportunities ahead of us for analysis of his performance.

NRA makes an excellent point about Hickey's interview and the lack of attention this got through both the media and on this site. I realize there are some here who wanted Mangini...then Farmer....then Gaine...and are disappointed with the hire, but lets give the guy an opportunity before we push him off the ledge.

The Dolphins wanted at least 4 people before Hickey. If they don't even have that much confidence in him, why should we?
 
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