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Tua and Mike McDaniel

Ray R said:
I suspect his meaning is that he has three years to base trajectories on and truly establish a root cause as opposed to a bunch of knee-jerk opinions - some of which may be partially correct.

Otherwise, you end up trying to correct for a rattlesnake bite by wearing tough skin convers when you should be looking for, finding and avoiding or killing the rattlesnake before it bites you again, and again, and again. - LOL
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I think I agree haha. The NFL is cyclical. Just like anything else in the world when there is innovation, everyone will add their flavor and tweak stuff and personalize it.

Our offense still had its games and moments. But I think what Mike is saying, as well as the rattlesnake stuff😂, is that there is enough film now to actually build the answers into the offense, checks, audibles, option routes for WRs, etc. That's not stuff you can just add mid-season without repping it and watching practice film and fine tuning. In season adjustments are not easy.

The game plan coaches install in the off-season and preseason is tweaked but realistically, thats what you're rolling with all year and I'm not sure everyone understands the way that part works. I used to think the same way but I've heard coaches talk about adjusting in-season and it was an eye-opener for me
 
flippersrevenge said:
Well thought out…if your giving Fielder props which her deserves, Pennington needs to some love too!
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Thought about Chad too, haha.. but it was more about young QBs and building the team correctly around them. Chad was fun man. I mean, what a year that was.
 
AntMan231 said:
I think I agree haha. The NFL is cyclical. Just like anything else in the world when there is innovation, everyone will add their flavor and tweak stuff and personalize it.

Our offense still had its games and moments. But I think what Mike is saying, as well as the rattlesnake stuff😂, is that there is enough film now to actually build the answers into the offense, checks, audibles, option routes for WRs, etc. That's not stuff you can just add mid-season without repping it and watching practice film and fine tuning. In season adjustments are not easy.

The game plan coaches install in the off-season and preseason is tweaked but realistically, thats what you're rolling with all year and I'm not sure everyone understands the way that part works. I used to think the same way but I've heard coaches talk about adjusting in-season and it was an eye-opener for me
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A really well thought out reply.
Thank you very much.

We need more posts like this.
 
@AntMan231

Great post! I pretty much agree... I don't feel like anything the Fins have done as a franchise since Mike got here is egregious strategy wise. There's really not much I could go back to, when it comes to overall direction, and say this doesn't make any sense.

The main complaint I see lately is the "finesse" aspect of the team, which vastly comes from the late season cold game flops. We're soft... Right?

I honestly think the cold game problems can't be reasonably fixed. I just don't think you can expect people who live in Florida year round to just turn a switch on and not feel cold; at least compared to their counterparts who live in it.

I don't know... To me it feels like there are really 2 ways to go about it generally...

A) Build your team around a solid OL and running game, Increase your floor and limit upside, hoping you're able to get better results in cold weather and tougher games.
B) Build a team that dominates the regular season and go after the 1st or 2nd seed and nip the actual problem in the bud.

To me both strategies have merit... (A) Almost worked in 23 as a once in a decade collapse(Titans game) is the reason we didn't get home playoff games and instead played in artic weather. (B) Could've also worked, it's been done before and it will be done again.

Most people act like there's always only one good decision to be made and all other options were crap. Reality is, many times, it's really close... Something not falling your way doesn't mean it was a crap idea.
 
NBP81 said:
@AntMan231

Great post! I pretty much agree... I don't feel like anything the Fins have done as a franchise since Mike got here is egregious strategy wise. There's really not much I could go back to, when it comes to overall direction, and say this doesn't make any sense.

The main complaint I see lately is the "finesse" aspect of the team, which vastly comes from the late season cold game flops. We're soft... Right?

I honestly think the cold game problems can't be reasonably fixed. I just don't think you can expect people who live in Florida year round to just turn a switch on and not feel cold; at least compared to their counterparts who live in it.

I don't know... To me it feels like there are really 2 ways to go about it generally...

A) Build your team around a solid OL and running game, Increase your floor and limit upside, hoping you're able to get better results in cold weather and tougher games.
B) Build a team that dominates the regular season and go after the 1st or 2nd seed and nip the actual problem in the bud.

To me both strategies have merit... (A) Almost worked in 23 as a once in a decade collapse(Titans game) is the reason we didn't get home playoff games and instead played in artic weather. (B) Could've also worked, it's been done before and it will be done again.

Most people act like there's always only one good decision to be made and all other options were crap. Reality is, many times, it's really close... Something not falling your way doesn't mean it was a crap idea.
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Shula figured this out. The best way to avoid cold weather playoff games is have the best record in the conference. Failing that, play the Raiders and Seahawks back in the day.
 
NBP81 said:
@AntMan231

Great post! I pretty much agree... I don't feel like anything the Fins have done as a franchise since Mike got here is egregious strategy wise. There's really not much I could go back to, when it comes to overall direction, and say this doesn't make any sense.

The main complaint I see lately is the "finesse" aspect of the team, which vastly comes from the late season cold game flops. We're soft... Right?

I honestly think the cold game problems can't be reasonably fixed. I just don't think you can expect people who live in Florida year round to just turn a switch on and not feel cold; at least compared to their counterparts who live in it.

I don't know... To me it feels like there are really 2 ways to go about it generally...

A) Build your team around a solid OL and running game, Increase your floor and limit upside, hoping you're able to get better results in cold weather and tougher games.
B) Build a team that dominates the regular season and go after the 1st or 2nd seed and nip the actual problem in the bud.

To me both strategies have merit... (A) Almost worked in 23 as a once in a decade collapse(Titans game) is the reason we didn't get home playoff games and instead played in artic weather. (B) Could've also worked, it's been done before and it will be done again.

Most people act like there's always only one good decision to be made and all other options were crap. Reality is, many times, it's really close... Something not falling your way doesn't mean it was a crap idea.
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Agree with everything except 'cold weather games'
 
Trade Viper said:
Ok, the only sports analogy is from my life. When I was a focused martial arts practitioner, it was good to be fast, it was good to be strong, but it was always better to be fast and strong. This is something you can develop, a little, but if you aren't born with it, you will only go so far.

Miami's offensive and defensive lines are not strong, or fast. There is a lot of speed at the top, but no strength, except for Jonnu Smith.

So the thinking is, to overcome strength with speed, a short time behind the line with a quick release. It is not working 😕

Tua does not have whatever it takes to be a pocket passer, he is not physically strong enough to play like Josh Allen, and he is not quick enough to be Jaylen Hurts, what he has is a quick release and accuracy, this is not enough, he would need a hugh profile running back, like Derrick Henry et al. This would take the pressure off of him.

Speaking of pressure, it seems to me Tua does not handle pressure well, but maybe we have not yet seen enough of a sample size.

What we have seen is the front offices inability to build a consistent and strong offensive line, and a coaches inability to consistently come up with a winning game plan against the top 25% of the NFL, along with the inability to adapt and stop calling plays that repeatedly do not produce positive yardage and keep calling plays that produce positive yardage.

IE, Mike McDeadcetacean would call15 black 20 times in a row and and have 10 mio on the table, then he would put it all on 25 Blue, because he is smarter than anyone else.

THE Ever Yes I Said Blue VIPER
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Bro you were great in Cobra Kai
 
JamesWsenior said:
Shula figured this out. The best way to avoid cold weather playoff games is have the best record in the conference. Failing that, play the Raiders and Seahawks back in the day.
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Didn't the Raiders end Don Shula's 1970-74 'mini-dynasty' by defeating the Dolphins in that "Sea of Hands" playoff contest?
 
Bob512 said:
Nice post @AntMan231

I tend to agree on McD and I believe he is innovative and aggressive when it comes to designing plays and schemes. I also think he will have another new look / wrinkle for this offense this year to help combat what defenses did to us last year. Where I think he needs to improve in where & when he feels like being aggressive and running the football consistently and successfully. A good running game will certainly open up and help the passing game. He is certainly capable and it will be interesting to see how he does this year

When you get out of X's and O's, there are a lot of perceptions swirling around McD in terms of his management of the team in terms of personnel issues, practice schedules...etc. I certainly don't know what goes on in the locker room or behind closed doors with this team, but I do think it would be in everyone's interests if McD uses some of his aggressiveness to deal with those narratives as well

We can win with Tua if he is on the field. If he stays healthy, we are a playoff team
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If McDaniel can stick to designing during the week and give up most in game play calling (maybe he can have 5-10 "audible" plays when he feels strongly about it), and Tua stays on the field, and we shore up the OL and DL and get some better health luck then yes I can see a dramatic improvement coming. The division is not appreciably easier and could get harder if the Pats get their act together, but we have weapons in both sides. We will have to see how FA and the draft go at addressing immediate and depth needs (accounting for some departures too) and I guess that's what we are here for.
 
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