Tua is not that guy

[dolphinheel]

I said blame the right person. It's not Tua's fault all teams double high so he takes what's given. Quit that nonsense.

He actually has a higher yards per completion than Mahommes and Allen

 

[dolphinheel]

if you watched them miss 20 tackles watched the offensive line get destroyed and run the ball for nothing and decided the guy with 365 yards no turnovers was the issue, I’m not sure what you are watching

Most are trolls.

 

[bdizzle00]

If Patrick Mahomes or Josh Allen was the QB of this team, do you honestly think this Miami team would be a team with an atrocious record against good teams? A team that has no ability to win in the cold? A team without a playoff win in 20+ years? 20+ years!!

You’re lying to yourself if you say yes. Tua is not the whole problem, but he’s not the solution. He works for this team in the right moment with the right settings. He’s not partulcalry clutch. He’s not a guy who makes unbelievable plays when the chips are down. He’s an above average QB in the right system.

Ok. If Tua is an above average QB in the right system, would you agree that this is the right system for him to be an above average QB?

If so, what do you think the best path to winning in the playoffs is? To keep an above average Tua in this system and try to improve in other areas that seem to be contributing to Miami losing? Or to try to replace Tua with someone who may or may not end up being better, and STILL have to improve on all the other areas that seem to be contributing to Miami losing?

 

[superphin]

Try what again? We are talking about 2024. Hence my comment, "Tua LAST in the league right now " Tua is dead last right now in IAY/PA. You try again.

Tua is not dead last Tua is TIED for dead last with Patrick Mahomes.

 

[Fred Bear]

I would agree with that, but his longest pass to a wr was a 34 yard gain to Hopkins on a pass that was 24 yards down field. People were saying Tua lived on the underneath passes, but Mahomes did too today. That's what happens when defenses play that 2 deep coverage.

Good coaching helps

 

[royalshank]

Oh, we see a lot of average QBs winning the Super Bowl? I'll spot you Trent Dilfer but there are 10 Mahomes, Tom Bradys, Peyton and Eli Mannings, Aaron Rodgers, and Brett Favres
Peyton won 2 SBs with two different teams. so no epic fail there I'd gladly take 1 SB, damn one playoff win but we don't have the team, coach, GM or QB to accomplish that right now

and don't pretend like last night was a one off. we play badly in almost every big game we play and Tua, imo, is more a part of the problem than the solution

I put Dilfer in the same class as Brad Johnson, Jim Plunkett, Jim McMahon, Joe Theisman, Phil Simms, Mark Rypien, Doug Williams, Jeff Hostetler, Nick Foles and even Eli Manning.

My point about Peyton was for as great as he was he should have won it more. Especially in Indy - but he only got 1 (yes, I’d be thrilled w 1 in the last 25 years or so) and he was so dominant. But even he needed a full team around him and a lucky draw in getting Rex Grossman in the SB. On Denver, that team was so good he had to do very little to win that last one. So yeah, 2 SBs when Brady got 7 is a fail in a sense. Not on Peyton but on the Indy FO for not building a better team that could beat NE.

I think our QB is good enough - same class as Hurts, Purdy, Herbert, etc. But he’s not going to win any games the way some of the best of the best HOFers have done or can. Very few guys can. I stand by my take that only Mahomes, Allen and Jackson are capable of doing this in today’s NFL. And yet, neither Allen nor Jackson have gotten there yet. But you’d have to looking though aqua and orange glasses not to see that they are far better players than Tua and the rest of the guys in his peer group.

Coaching - I’m out on McDaniel - go back to his first year and see my “Mike McDaniel is Dumb” thread. In it, the issues I ranted about are still the same issues 3 years later. So yeah, I think he blows. I think Chris Grier blows and doesn’t know how to build a team. He’s a jellyfish and has no vision. A real corporate slime that can survive regime change after regime change.

Finally, yes, Tua has played his worst football on the big stage in the NFL. I’ve said multiple times here that he appears too amped up and gets the yips. Last night was not one of those nights IMO. When you set an NFL record for missed tackles I’m not sure any QB is overcoming that.

I don’t think we are really disagreeing about much here but I may be missing something.

I’m hoping Ross fires the GM and coach at the same time for just once and tries doing this over properly.

 

[Aquapride2]

For the Tua-lovers, ALL NFL QB's are pressured constantly, so please stop blaming the offensive line for Dolphins losses.

 

[royalshank]

Mahomes and the Chiefs just scored 19 points and lucked out on a win against the Raiders. Did the same last week vs the Panthers. Beating sub par teams is part of the schedule.

KC isn’t that good this year. They will get punked in the playoffs this year by Buffalo or Baltimore - book it.

 

[Sticky Gloves]

Miami is averaging 27 points per game since Tua has returned. I’m not sure where that ranks in the entire NFL over the last 6 games, but I know it’s more than KC, more than Texas, more than Pittsburgh, one less than Buffalo, more than Green Bay, and more than Minnesota to name a few.

Yeah, the offense works well against teams that are bad. Averages look good.

 

[Sticky Gloves]

Tua is not dead last Tua is TIED for dead last with Patrick Mahomes.

Yeah. KC offense also pretty mediocre except Mahomes is the GOAT and can turn it on whenever. Even regular season last year, KC was a pretty meh team. 14th in points per game last year.

 

[Sticky Gloves]

I said blame the right person. It's not Tua's fault all teams double high so he takes what's given. Quit that nonsense.

You also brought up his '23 numbers. That offense doesn't work anymore. Blame what person? Who is the right person you want to blame?

 

[royalshank]

Yeah. KC offense also pretty mediocre except Mahomes is the GOAT and can turn it on whenever. Even regular season last year, KC was a pretty meh team. 14th in points per game last year.

It surprised me last year that they not only made the SB, but won it w that meh team. That was all Mahomes - he is the GOAT, Tom Brady be damned. That said, this year will be Buffalo or Baltimore. And I think the Lions will win the whole thing. Lions over Bills would be very poetic.

 

[E30M3]

You also brought up his '23 numbers. That offense doesn't work anymore. Blame what person? Who is the right person you want to blame?

Personally, I blame the play caller. You can blame whomever else you want though. But faulting Tua for lack of air yards when defenses are positioned like I mentioned is foolish especially since he led the league last year. There's also the missed games this season which arent quite accounted for either huh.

 

[Phinslife]

“Elite qbs” aren’t in that situation often if ever.

Mahomes has had one of the best defenses especially last year

Allen has had top 5 defense 4 out of last 5 years

Lamar has had best defense in the league 2 out of last 3 years.

It’s no coincidence those are considered your elite guys, yeah they are great but let’s not pretend they are dragging their teams to victory because it’s just not true. All 3 don’t do much more than Tua’s typical game, you just win and beat better teams when your defense and special teams give up 7 points less per game.

Spot ****ing on!

 

[Sticky Gloves]

Personally, I blame the play caller. You can blame whomever else you want though. But faulting Tua for lack of air yards when defenses are positioned like I mentioned is foolish especially since he led the league last year. There's also the missed games this season which arent quite accounted for either huh.

Well which one is it though? The playcaller or how the defenses are positioned?

The quick passing offense was built to keep Tua healthy going into the '23 season. It was wildly succesfull, but defenses caught up and adjusted. Tua was going to run more and be more mobile into '24. Now, in '24 Tua gets injured again on a fairly routine play being "mobile", and now you are basically stuck in this place. You need to keep Tua healthy by getting rid of the ball quickly, but you can't pass down the field quickly because of how defenses have adjusted to defending zone passes.

You built an offense on speed and it can't be used. The Dolphins are lacking an identity.