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Tua is not that guy

Dan was 41-16 in his first 57 regular season starts for a 72% winning percentage. He also broke all the single season passing records along the way. For the playoffs during that stretch he was 3-3 including 2 trips to the AFC Championship game and of course 1 to the SB. Be nice to know what all this playoff football is about again…
David Wiodley won 67 percent of his games and made it to the same amount of Super Bowl losses. That's the team Marino took over.

Tua took over a team than won 6 games the year before and had 1 playoff berths in the last 14 or so years. With a coach actively trying to sabotage him to bring in his own guy.
 
Except you do pay $50+ million for fine. That is the standard in the NFL. Dak got $60 million, Lawrence got $55 million, Love got $55 million. Not one of these QBs are elite but in the NFL when you find a QB whose good or fine this is the market for them. The market has spoken whether you like it or not. Purdy is about to get a pay day from the 49ers because what is the alternative? In any given era there 3-5 elite guys and there's everyone else. Plenty of non-elite guys have won SBs.
But those are examples of how terrible it is except for Love. These are dumb contracts. Dak and Lawrence contracts are abortions. Their teams are terrible. This is a "If all your friends jumped off a bridge, would you do it, too?"
 
Except you do pay $50+ million for fine. That is the standard in the NFL. Dak got $60 million, Lawrence got $55 million, Love got $55 million. Not one of these QBs are elite but in the NFL when you find a QB whose good or fine this is the market for them. The market has spoken whether you like it or not. Purdy is about to get a pay day from the 49ers because what is the alternative? In any given era there 3-5 elite guys and there's everyone else. Plenty of non-elite guys have won SBs.
great examples. all mistakes. all those teams now suck or are about to suck or not threaten for a sb for a long time, again. the same thing used to happen with running backs, and then finally teams figured out, don't do it. there are only a 2 or 3 QBs that can carry this type of salary and still have the whole thing work. the nfl is a business. not all teams pay these QBs this type of money because they are trying to win a SB. they do it for business reasons, to get asses in seats, and to keep the fans engaged. 9-8 is much more palatable than 4-13.
 
If it a big difference though, if you score 34 a game you are #1 in the league.

If you take out the Raiders and Pats, truly garbage teams, the Dolphins averaged only 23.5 points which is 14th in the league in scoring per game.

Big diffrence.
Wait, so you are taking out home games against poorer teams and leaving in road games against playoff teams and going "look, the average goes down!!!"
 
You are comparing practice squad players with starting QBs in the NFL. A scheme that was built over many years to Tua's strengths. Of course you are going to look at lot better. Not to mention, I don't even think Skylar is practice squad quality. He belongs in a beer league.
This offense wasn't "built to Tua's strengths". There's no idiot in the coaching staff thinking the perfect offense fir any QB is one built off budget parts from the discard bin because the only good offensive linemen this team has drafted in a decade plus was because a guy fell after a video of him in a gas mask bong hit on draft night.

The Ravens built a freight train around Lamar Jackson. We threw a fast engine in a Ford Pinto and count on Tua's driver skill to make it a race car.
 
Wait, so you are taking out home games against poorer teams and leaving in road games against playoff teams and going "look, the average goes down!!!"
I'm not really looking at home vs away. Just looking at decent teams vs abortions, but yeah, that's the discussion. Thanks for stopping in.
 
But those are examples of how terrible it is except for Love. These are dumb contracts. Dak and Lawrence contracts are abortions. Their teams are terrible. This is a "If all your friends jumped off a bridge, would you do it, too?"
What is the alternative? It's not like finding an elite QB is easy, some teams never draft one. We've been looking since Marino retired. Guys like Flacco, Foles, Eli Manning, the corpse of Peyton Manning, and Wilson have all won SBs off the strength elite defenses or getting hot at the right time. Teams can't just endlessly search for that elusive elite QB. You make do with what you got and If you draft well maybe you can give yourself a window to win big.
 
What is the alternative? It's not like finding an elite QB is easy, some teams never draft one. We've been looking since Marino retired. Guys like Flacco, Foles, Eli Manning, the corpse of Peyton Manning, and Wilson have all won SBs off the strength elite defenses or getting hot at the right time. Teams can't just endlessly search for that elusive elite QB. You make do with what you got and If you draft well maybe you can give yourself a window to win big.
thats the point once you pay these kind of QBs that kind of money, the window is shut. you can be decent, but odds are you are never going to be great. the teams all know it too. these are business deals, not football deals.
 
thats the point once you pay these kind of QBs that kind of money, the window is shut. you can be decent, but odds are you are never going to be great. the teams all know it too. these are business deals, not football deals.
If you draft well the window can stay open especially if you can draft well on the defensive side and OL. You give yourself a 4-5 year window before you have to start paying those defenders. Obviously that's easier said than done but so if finding an elite QB.
 
I'm not really looking at home vs away. Just looking at decent teams vs abortions, but yeah, that's the discussion. Thanks for stopping in.
Tua played practically perfect games against the Bills and Cardinals and still lost. Why does your agenda never focus on the defense which has stats to back up how bad they've been in most of the losses.
 
This offense wasn't "built to Tua's strengths". There's no idiot in the coaching staff thinking the perfect offense fir any QB is one built off budget parts from the discard bin because the only good offensive linemen this team has drafted in a decade plus was because a guy fell after a video of him in a gas mask bong hit on draft night.

The Ravens built a freight train around Lamar Jackson. We threw a fast engine in a Ford Pinto and count on Tua's driver skill to make it a race car.
Austin Jackson and Robert Hunt were both good draft picks.

The offense isn't built for protection to stand up and for Tua to look around and read the field. So yes, it's definitely built to Tua's strengths of less arm strength and anticipation, which means getting rid of the ball quicker. Tua can't stand there and throw guys open or be late on throws with a traditional pass blocking offense. He also can't move as the pocket breakdowns or take hits.

Tua's pocket time right now is 1.7 seconds, and Huntley's was 2.3 which is a massive difference. Tua is the least pressured QB in the league. It's just the reality of how he runs the offense, and how it's necessary for the offense to be run this way with his health concerns.
 
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Tua played practically perfect games against the Bills and Cardinals and still lost. Why does your agenda never focus on the defense which has stats to back up how bad they've been in most of the losses.
We excluding the 1st time he played the Bills? How's that for an agenda?

The Dolphins scored 13 points in 3 quarters and the Buffalo started playing softer coverage as the game wound down in the 4th. The Buffalo D isn't what it used to be. They were running the ball at 6 yards per carry against them. You can pretty much do whatever if you are running the ball like that.
 
If you draft well the window can stay open especially if you can draft well on the defensive side and OL. You give yourself a 4-5 year window before you have to start paying those defenders. Obviously that's easier said than done but so if finding an elite QB.
i think about it differently. i think for the most part the window is open when you draft the right QB, have him on the rookie deal, and you have drafted well and surrounded that QB with a lot of talent. but then, the window shuts, for the most part, when said QB gets paid bigly. there has really been only one exception, that is KC with mahomes. potentially maybe buffalo with allen too, they just keep losing to mahomes. those two guys have seemed like the only two that can carry it.

the other side of the coin is since running backs became so de-valued, smarter teams actually took advantage of the issue. baltimore w henry, and the eagles with saquon barkley. it is really interesting, the historically good and smart teams took advantage of the depressed RB market.
 
thats the point once you pay these kind of QBs that kind of money, the window is shut. you can be decent, but odds are you are never going to be great. the teams all know it too. these are business deals, not football deals.

Tell that to the chiefs who continue to win more and more games and have won 2 superbowls since paying Mahomes. His defenses have actually gotten much better since they paid him. It’s amazing what good coaching will actually do.
 
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