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Tua is not that guy
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Im.not arguing that Woodley was great, just adding context that the team Marino was blessed to take over was one that could win with minimal input from the QB. The Dolphins before Tua were synonymous with sheer futility. So the winning percentage being comparable is impressive.
I find Marino the ultimate example of how a QB still needs a team around them to be championship level, but that offer never applies to current QBs. Even when the defense mosses 20 tackles, it's the QB that capped the bed because of two passes he missed when the game was 21-3 already.
Dolphin fans more than anyone should understand this. We've seen 1st hand what an elite QB on a mediocre team looks like and even if we didn't see it 1st hand we all know the story of Marino.
What I mean is that they are rather mediocre in terms of skill talent. That they are still productive, moreso in Buffalo's case than KC, is a testament to what you can do if the trenches are solid and the team still maintains a physical mentality.
I honestly believe that at this point Tua could probably be effective if we just had a solid group of consistent receivers. But we're as atrocious picking up effective receiving options as drafting linemen.
Finswatch
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Spud, you can spin your garbage until you are blue in the face, and superlemming, you can support your buddy's inane drivel all you want but when you've drafted as many starters, Pro-Bowlers and future hall of Famers as the Chiefs have, you've drafted "extremely well" "exceptionally well" and every kind of well there is.
Oh, btw, how many Super Bowls has KC won lately? I think they're going past the 90's Cowboys and way past the Legion of Boom. Use your higher level of literacy to figure out what role these extremely exceptional, wonderful, masterful drafts played in those KC Super Bowl wins.
Cut the crap, spin boy.
You aren't at a higher literacy level than anybody. You are at a higher Bullshit level when you write nonsense like this.
Finswatch
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Please stop comparing Tua to Marino. One was elite, the other one is Tua.
Marino would have won many SBs with the resources Tua has around him.
Agreeing that a QB needs a team around him is comparing Tua to Marino? wtf are you even talking about?
Finswatch
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Spud, you really have outdone yourself. Does the QB bear no responsibility for a 3 point first half? Wouldn't hitting EASY passes with little to no pressure and wide open receivers be a good step towards getting back into this game? Aren't good QBs supposed to overcome obstacles and bring his team back against good teams.
I can't imagine what Marino would've done with Jonnu Smith, Hill and Waddle
Are we name calling now? God I hope you're not really 60, then I have to feel sorry for you.
dunegoon
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Anyone that watched Marino played don't understand. One guy can't overcome constant hurdles all by himself. There are soft players on this team that don't want to compete. How can anyone complain about Tua when the more alarming issue is the defense and tackling.
It's downright embarrassing for a team. Even the opening players making fun of this soft ass team. We have bigger issues. I feel like it's been established ad nauseum
Ok I see. We are on the same page. Im clowning Tua a little bit for some general things I don’t like in his game, but I stand by the fact that he’s very good and SB winning worthy. It IS a team game hence my previous points w other posters about the long list of average QBs like Simms, Hostetler Foles, Theisman, Ryypien, Williams, Johnson, Dilfer, Plunkett who won SBs. And some of the most dominant QBs of all time didn’t win or didn’t win more than 1. For example, even Peyton while in Indy should have won it more than 1x. That the Colts couldn’t put together a team that could beat NE was a failure. Same as Miami not being able to put a team together to beat Buffalo 90’-‘95. The double standard is unfair. Elway is another great example. When he as elite, his teams got clowned in 3 SBs by like a combined score of 150-30. When he was old and falling apart they finally got a complete team going and he managed to ride off into the sunset w 2 wins (good for him) but people miss the point that he wasn’t great anymore. When he was great, they didn’t have the team. So many examples. I’m good w our QB. I’m not good w the GM and HC’s philosophy.
powerball1373
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I have a feeling if Marino was around during the social media years, we might have very different thoughts about him. I imagine there's a segment of this fan base that would trash him incessantly, because that's what they love to do.
Finswatch
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Could ask you the same question but it would jut confuse you. ask Spud
powerball1373
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Let me preface this by saying I'm not saying Tua is as good as Marino was (he's not), but sir, the Marks brothers were basically Hill and Waddle of their day lol. Clayton was the best WR in the league in 1984 and Duper was probably better than Waddle, comparatively by era. Marino also def had tight ends as good as Jonnu. Jonnu is playing great but let's not act like he's prime Kelce/Gronk...
Finswatch
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You're right, pal. Its crazy to laugh at a guy who writes that a team full of home grown, elite talent up and down their roster that has won 3 SB's since 2020 doesn't draft "exceptionally well". You guys are really onto something. Maybe the fins can hire you two to replace Grier.
I think it's really nice that you are there to back him right up. "No, no, you're right, they must be really lucky because they don't draft THAT well"
I'm actually 72 years old and should walk away but couldn't resist. KC drafts as well as anybody. we should grab one of their personnel executives because we could learn a lot from that organization when it comes to drafting smart, tough, great players.
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