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Tua the Hardest player to read?

Mitchell_NY said:
I know this may sound werid, but is he the hardest player to read in the nfl? Does have have a cannon arm? No. Does he win? Yes. Does he have a strong o-line? No. Strong Offeense skill positions? no. I cant think of a harder player to evaulate then him
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All that would point to him not being the main problem on offense, and actually being a plus-player at the position on this team.

My personal evaluation is - work in progress. Has shown excellent skills in some areas, average in others, but seems to be getting more comfortable and confident at the position. Needs more excellent play with consistency to fully convince most people that he's the guy.
 
PhinFan1968 said:
All that would point to him not being the main problem on offense, and actually being a plus-player at the position on this team.

My personal evaluation is - work in progress. Has shown excellent skills in some areas, average in others, but seems to be getting more comfortable and confident at the position. Needs more excellent play with consistency to fully convince most people that he's the guy.
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This. He’s further ahead than RT was at that point and look how he turned out. Yes, yes I know he had a bad day yesterday.
 
My evaluation hasn't changed.

He's going to be a slightly above average QB who can succeed when everything around him goes well. Good enough to make the playoffs with but not good enough to take games over on his own like is often needed in the postseason.

In games where things go off script more than normal he doesn't look very sharp, because he just isn't that type of QB.

That might sound positive considering how down I am on Tua, but understand slightly above average at QB to me is worse than having a bust.
 
GhostArmOfMarino said:
My evaluation hasn't changed.

He's going to be a slightly above average QB who can succeed when everything around him goes well. Good enough to make the playoffs with but not good enough to take games over on his own like is often needed in the postseason.

In games where things go off script more than normal he doesn't look very sharp, because he just isn't that type of QB.

That might sound positive considering how down I am on Tua, but understand slightly above average at QB to me is worse than having a bust.
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While he can certainly be "the guy" with everything around him going well, I believe he'll progress into the type of guy that can be effective and efficient even if everything doesn't. He's shown some flashes there, just needs consistency in that area. He appears to be confident enough to branch out into that type of play, but chemistry has had a negative impact on it, as well as his limitations...not even taking into account OL play and lack of prime targets. He's tried to go off script a few times where it has ended tragically, with ugly INTs, but with better communication and chemistry with his guys, some of those would've ended up as great plays. On the deep off-script stuff, he needs to be extra accurate and dialed in, since he doesn't have a cannon. That 65 yarder last week didn't require immense accuracy, Hollins was as wide open as could be, but to make that play had he been tightly covered, it'll require some acumen. He needs to show that as well.
 
I’ll say it again, jmo, the evaluation has become more clear, get a line for him so he can truly set his feet and in return he will give you the fastest most accurate release in the game.
 
royalshank said:
This. He’s further ahead than RT was at that point and look how he turned out. Yes, yes I know he had a bad day yesterday.
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Definitely true.

The way I see it, Tua is moving in the right direction.

My take? We have seen elite ball placement from Tua. And I don't throw that word around lightly. You can see why one of his comps was a lefthanded Drew Brees.

Tua's pocket presence is really good, far ahead of where Tannehill is even now. With more time, this could be a second elite trait.

It's time to stop the narrative that Tua has a weak arm. That simply is not the case.

Durability remains my main concern with Tua. But as he improves, hopefully he'll get better protection from the officials like the better quarterbacks do.

Consistency is needed as he's made some bad throws. But considering what Tua has to work with, I'm absolutely loving what I'm seeing.
 
SF Dolphin Fan said:
Definitely true.

The way I see it, Tua is moving in the right direction.

My take? We have seen elite ball placement from Tua. And I don't throw that word around lightly. You can see why one of his comps was a lefthanded Drew Brees.

Tua's pocket presence is really good, far ahead of where Tannehill is even now. With more time, this could be a second elite trait.

It's time to stop the narrative that Tua has a weak arm. That simply is not the case.

Durability remains my main concern with Tua. But as he improves, hopefully he'll get better protection from the officials like the better quarterbacks do.

Consistency is needed as he's made some bad throws. But considering what Tua has to work with, I'm absolutely loving what I'm seeing.
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I agree with everything that you said except for the arm strength.

I think that his arm strength is most likely affected by the hip injury still and now this seasons ribs injury. I feel as if even though the hip was supposedly healed, he still needed to strengthen it.

That being said, I hope that as time goes on, and he heals, he can be even better.

However, as I have stated before, he must stay on the field. He cant be broken down every few games or after a sack or 2. If he can stay on the field and continue to learn he will be ready to take that next step....if not he will be a great backup. However let's not go there and hope he can manage to continue to avoid injuries moving forward that would keep him out of games... because this is football and everybody gets injured, but injured and missing games are two different things.
 
PhinFan1968 said:
While he can certainly be "the guy" with everything around him going well, I believe he'll progress into the type of guy that can be effective and efficient even if everything doesn't. He's shown some flashes there, just needs consistency in that area. He appears to be confident enough to branch out into that type of play, but chemistry has had a negative impact on it, as well as his limitations...not even taking into account OL play and lack of prime targets. He's tried to go off script a few times where it has ended tragically, with ugly INTs, but with better communication and chemistry with his guys, some of those would've ended up as great plays. On the deep off-script stuff, he needs to be extra accurate and dialed in, since he doesn't have a cannon. That 65 yarder last week didn't require immense accuracy, Hollins was as wide open as could be, but to make that play had he been tightly covered, it'll require some acumen. He needs to show that as well.
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Agree with you and very good post! Tua has good accuracy on his short to medium throws. If I get picky and technical, I can see his his long ball will never be elite. His 50+ yard pass was great to see but it was fading fast and hanging at the end. It was not a rope. Tua will never have the cannon we see in some other QBs (Herbert, Allen) Having said that, his performance was good and showed that he can win if we surround him with a solid cast. The most positive thing for me is that I have seen him battle back after he tosses an INT. He's a competitor and that can make up for some physical deficiencies.

Phins Up!
 
If we can get the oline fixed, we could see alot more 80% or better completion games. Even though he can throw it deep, the strongest part of his game is his accuracy on those intermediate routes. With more time he can hit longer passes more regularly.
 
GhostArmOfMarino said:
My evaluation hasn't changed.

He's going to be a slightly above average QB who can succeed when everything around him goes well. Good enough to make the playoffs with but not good enough to take games over on his own like is often needed in the postseason.

In games where things go off script more than normal he doesn't look very sharp, because he just isn't that type of QB.

That might sound positive considering how down I am on Tua, but understand slightly above average at QB to me is worse than having a bust.
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He seems above average with utter shite around him. Are things around him going well?
 
JayFin327 said:
If we can improve this line in FA and actually get a RB that defenses respect, the Tua we know today is going to look a whole lot different in the next 2-3 years
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Won't happen until Grier and Flores are replaced. It's Year #3 of the rebuild and they still don't have an o-line or a RB#1. I can see having one rookie or 2nd year player on the line (or possibly even two) by now, but not four with the fifth guy being a well below-average veteran. And, during the last two drafts they had a total of 10 picks in the first two rounds. With so many early picks, there's no reason why they couldn't draft a RB in the middle rounds unless they weren't concerned with improving their running game.
 
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