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Two things can be true about this team

AJDUHEJETKILLER said:
driving home from syracuse today though buffalo( what a god awful place) and I told my wife about the trip to Buffalo in 91 playoffs losing 44-34…. I drove for hours in the snow watching a weak football team lose with little fight

I hear you kid and clear Bane. The design of this team simply won’t work for the long haul. Houston had some serious skill players but not a complete team.

I’m getting worn out - we simply can’t compete against the “better teams” forget the good teams
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Yep if you are like me and started watching team in 1984 or 83 and in your 40s. This has to look very familiar. I remember that 1991 playoff game. Except I was in middle school and shrugged it off by playing football outside that day and thinking Marino would get us one eventually.
 
eMCee85 said:
Again, the problem is the gm and the coaching. It's that simple. No need for all this other analysis
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Whatever dude. It’s the same thing if you are in your 40s or 50s. Same team. Sorry you don’t like my post and don’t need my analysis. You cry hear every week bitching to fire everyone. Will that help ? They been firing people since the 1990s and now we are back to the same team exactly. We probably will not fire Grier or McDaniel this year and I am in favor of keeping McDaniel. But I bet the next person doesn’t get it right. None of these clowns have learned from the past and all of us fans see the problem.

Look at a player like Chop Robison. He probably will be good. But man in the cold weather games with bad traction. These guys are not as effective.
 
bane said:
Here are the two things I think

If we have tua all year we make wildcard and make playoffs third straight year. Which for this franchise is impressive. Please don’t tell me he wouldn’t beat titans and colts. I am not including Seahawks
So we be 7-5 and in great position. For wildcard

But

We would lose in the first round again

Now we are not going to make the playoffs this year.

This rebuild has topped out as a wildcard team.

Something else I think . This might piss off the time dolphin fans who think back to the 90s as great teams.

The team we have now is the team pretty much that we had in the 90s with Marino.

Always passing.
Oline not good at running
Defense mediocre
Couldn’t beat Buffalo

Only difference was Marino was hall of famer and won one round on the playoffs most years in the 90s. But he could not do more than that.

Tua is not a hall of fame player and his best is just getting us in playoffs (yea I know this year we won’t be in them because he was hurt )

When we had Marino
We got crushed so many times in the second round of playoffs because no running game or no defense to keep score low.

It’s the same thing now. Except tua isn’t as good as Marino so we are just stuck getting 7 or 6 seed and losing in playoffs.

But the teams from the 90s and now are focused on passing
Inconsistent defense or mediocre
Inconsistency with running game or none
Good receivers

It’s like watching same team and same problems I saw in the late 90s

How many cold weather games can we lose in the 90s and now? All because the teams are more physical. Then and now

This is so fixable but the guys they hire just won’t fix it. They think they know better
We suck in the trenches. Even when we made playoffs 7-out of 10 years in the 90s where we ever strong in the trenches?

These last three years with McDaniel . 2 making playoffs. Where we ever strong in trenches. No to both.

****ing so simple and these are making same mistakes that this franchise made in the 90s. Sorry but we usually were a wildcard team in 90s and would get killed in second round. Only getting there cause Marino. Tua is good enough to get us a 6 or 7 .seed. He isn’t Marino. But this coulda been addressed back then. And it shoulda been addressed with this current team.

Especially when you are trying to do the same exact thing but without a hall of fame qb. That is not a knock on tua. He is good enough to not be the problem. But against top teams he needs help to be part of Solution. .
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Not that I disagree with your post, but what makes you so sure we would've won all those games had Tua not been injured? Nothing is a sure thing in this league, nothing
 
bane said:
Whatever dude. It’s the same thing if you are in your 40s or 50s. Same team. Sorry you don’t like my post and don’t need my analysis. You cry hear every week bitching to fire everyone. Will that help ? They been firing people since the 1990s and now we are back to the same team exactly. We probably will not fire Grier or McDaniel this year and I am in favor of keeping McDaniel. But I bet the next person doesn’t get it right. None of these clowns have learned from the past and all of us fans see the problem.

Look at a player like Chop Robison. He probably will be good. But man in the cold weather games with bad traction. These guys are not as effective.
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Whoa settle down, I'm not hating on your post. I actually agree with someone it. Although Marino actually got us to a superbowl. Won multiple playoff games. But can't argue he and the team didn't come up short because they did. I'm just saying all those thing you point out are due to the gm and the coach. That's all. Relax bud
 
eMCee85 said:
Not that I disagree with your post, but what makes you so sure we would've won all those games had Tua not been injured? Nothing is a sure thing in this league, nothing
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Tua is good enough to beat mediocre average teams and bad teams. Those are in that category

What makes you think you think the next guys will get the vision that we need to be more physical?

That is my point. It’s since the 1990s and it’s the same plan. High flying offense and scoring. Didn’t get us a superbowl then and it won’t now. And this time. We got a top 12-15. Not a hall of famer. If Marino couldn’t do it. How can we expect Tua to?

I don’t think anyone will get it. But it’s not hard. But for this franchise it is. It’s been going on since the 1990s
 
eMCee85 said:
Whoa settle down, I'm not hating on your post. I actually agree with someone it. Although Marino actually got us to a superbowl. Won multiple playoff games. But can't argue he and the team didn't come up short because they did. I'm just saying all those thing you point out are due to the gm and the coach. That's all. Relax bud
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Marino got us in superbowl in 1984. I am talking about the 1990s dolphins. Shula just depended on Marino to fix it all.
McDaniel is doing same with his scheme and Tua. It won’t work.


My bad
i just want to fix things and it seems obvious. How can they not get it and we do ?
 
bane said:
Tua is good enough to beat mediocre average teams and bad teams. Those are in that category

What makes you think you think the next guys will get the vision that we need to be more physical?

That is my point. It’s since the 1990s and it’s the same plan. High flying offense and scoring. Didn’t get us a superbowl then and it won’t now. And this time. We got a top 12-15. Not a hall of famer. If Marino couldn’t do it. How can we expect Tua to?

I don’t think anyone will get it. But it’s not hard. But for this franchise it is. It’s been going on since the 1990s
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Really though, because the early 2000s all the way to gase and even Flores we never really has a high flying offense. We never had the qb to make that true. Last year, yes we had a high flying offense. McDaniel has made that possible. Temporarily. Now look it. He can't even game plan reek into the game. This is stupid. Our number 1 receiver only has 4 tds on the year.

I got off on a tangent. So obviously I can't say for sure the next regime will be any different. It's only a hope that it will be. But we know what this one is. And it ain't it. I can only hope we hire ANDY WEIDL FROM THE STEELERS TO BUILD THIS TEAM AND THE FRANCHISE THE RIGHT WAY. let him bring in EVERYONE from water boy to his assistants. That is what I hope for.
 
bane said:
Marino got us in superbowl in 1984. I am talking about the 1990s dolphins. Shula just depended on Marino to fix it all.
McDaniel is doing same with his scheme and Tua. It won’t work.


My bad
i just want to fix things and it seems obvious. How can they not get it and we do ?
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Your not wrong.
 
I'm 46, so I grew up watching Marino like many of you. He's the reason that I'm a Fin Fan today. He's the best pure passer that I've ever seen. He had his flaws, don't get me wrong, but man could he sling it. I watched him play a flag football game when he was 60 and he could still throw 50 yards on a rope. I thought those teams were so good as a kid, but I grew up to realized that they stunk. Without Marino, they were 5 or 6 win teams. He played with zero hall of famers on offense. We thought Duper and Clayton were so great, but when they left, the production was the same with whoever they put in there. Back to the original post though. The style of play sucked. We had no running game and no defense when Marino was in his prime. At times they would try to get the running game going and it just wouldn't work. This was pathetic because you know teams were sitting back in 2 high safeties. Finally, it would look like Marino would just say "Screw it, give me the ball" and he would throw 50 times a game. Then we'd score and the defense would just let them walk down the field and score too. The only way we won alot of those games was because we had the ball last. Go back and look at some of those Shula GM rosters, remove Marino and see how crappy they actually are.
 
bane said:
Marino got us in superbowl in 1984. I am talking about the 1990s dolphins. Shula just depended on Marino to fix it all.
McDaniel is doing same with his scheme and Tua. It won’t work.


My bad
i just want to fix things and it seems obvious. How can they not get it and we do ?
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You make way too many assumptions
This is the NFL, I don’t think you’ve been around that long
 
Fred Bear said:
We have topped out and reached our ceiling. It's time for a huge change.
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Yep...reached it last season, a little over halfway through the season, and it isn't good enough.

For many fans, its easy to miss the forest for the trees. "Eich sucks, Safeties suck, OL sucks," while all true, are just symptoms. I hate using the "culture" word, but that's what it boils down to, for me. We'll always suck in multiple areas because we don't have the fundamentals honed. How many times have career, HoF level people said, "the game is won in the trenches?" Yet this organization wants flashy stuff to put asses in the seats, buying ridiculously overpriced beer and dogs.

From the outside looking in, Ross obviously doesn't get it, and it permeates downward. Toughness over shiny, across the board. They don't appear to have a respect for physical dominance...even as it slaps them in the face every year. IMHO anyway, and I could be wrong, but to me the team presents itself as weak and soft, EVERY damn year, and that doesn't just happen on its own.
 
The NFL penalized ross a first round pick and Grier did some stupid trade up squandered a first round pick trade back. That could have been two additional first round OL picks. Then McD, the slow learner he is doesn't realize a missed tackle against Buffalo at home last year made us go to KC and he thinks everything is fine with ST, then a new, fairly untrained returner cost us a possible chance for us to see another one and done in the playoffs. You can make an argument that Grier has supplied a team with just enough talent to win in the playoffs if they don't "shot themselves in the foot." More introspection should have been done about Crossman and Puloka at the end of last season and McD needs to do a lot better faster. Will any changes be made if we end up with 8 or more wins?
 
It's at Ross and Grier's feet.
They brought in Flores and then the complete opposite in McDaniel.
Hate to say it over and over but build the lines which sets the tone for the games.
McDaniel giving veterans time off its no wonder they want to come here to retire.
Soft team soft practicing shows on the field.
In 2020 we had a plan.
We have went so far from it now.
High priced guys brought in and we are no better off.
Tua is good and I'm a big fan but fear we will be in the same position every year with him.
Good not great doesn't cut it at qb.
Rather keep trying to find the man than sticking with Tua Tannehill Fiedler.
Frustrating staying up into the early hours before work to see time after time fail when the bright lights go on.
Fins up
 
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