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Two things can be true about this team

Fire everyone, from the whole scouting department to the custodian. Hire a GM who can build a Super Bowl roster. Also ross needs to sell the team and we need shamans to break the curse or build a new dolphins stadium somewhere else.
 
Found this online. It's a few years old.

Teams that won with balance

14 of the last 25 Super Bowl winners were top 10 in both offense and defense. What is interesting is that in the 90s it was very common for balanced things to win, then in the early 2000s you don't see many of them, but four of the last 5 winners were balanced.

YearTeamOffensive RankingDefensive Ranking
1993Cowboys26
199449ers16
1995Cowboys19
1996Packers12
1997Broncos16
1999Rams12
2001Patriots76
2004Patriots54
2005Steelers64
2010Packers81
2013Seahawks91
2014Patriots38
2016Patriots51
2017Eagles44
Teams that had a much better offense than defense

There are four examples where a team had a top 10 offense but a lower ranked defense

YearTeamOffensive RankingDefensive Ranking
1998Broncos213
2006Colts128
2009Saints216
2011Giants924
Teams that had a much better defense than offense

There are five teams that won with a top 2 defense and a lower ranked offense. The Ravens, Bucs and Broncos being the prime examples when someone brings up defenses that straight up carried the teams to a title.

YearTeamOffensive RankingDefensive Ranking
2000Ravens181
2002Buccaneers231
2003Patriots161
2008Steelers182
2015Broncos241
The outliers: teams that were balanced but not top ranked on either side

There were two teams that won with neither the offense or defense being ranked top 10. Prime examples that people bring up of unlikely teams getting hot.

YearTeamOffensive RankingDefensive Ranking
2007Giants1516
2012Ravens1111
 
Found this online. It's a few years old.

Teams that won with balance

14 of the last 25 Super Bowl winners were top 10 in both offense and defense. What is interesting is that in the 90s it was very common for balanced things to win, then in the early 2000s you don't see many of them, but four of the last 5 winners were balanced.

YearTeamOffensive RankingDefensive Ranking
1993Cowboys26
199449ers16
1995Cowboys19
1996Packers12
1997Broncos16
1999Rams12
2001Patriots76
2004Patriots54
2005Steelers64
2010Packers81
2013Seahawks91
2014Patriots38
2016Patriots51
2017Eagles44
Teams that had a much better offense than defense

There are four examples where a team had a top 10 offense but a lower ranked defense

YearTeamOffensive RankingDefensive Ranking
1998Broncos213
2006Colts128
2009Saints216
2011Giants924
Teams that had a much better defense than offense

There are five teams that won with a top 2 defense and a lower ranked offense. The Ravens, Bucs and Broncos being the prime examples when someone brings up defenses that straight up carried the teams to a title.

YearTeamOffensive RankingDefensive Ranking
2000Ravens181
2002Buccaneers231
2003Patriots161
2008Steelers182
2015Broncos241
The outliers: teams that were balanced but not top ranked on either side

There were two teams that won with neither the offense or defense being ranked top 10. Prime examples that people bring up of unlikely teams getting hot.

YearTeamOffensive RankingDefensive Ranking
2007Giants1516
2012Ravens1111
Well that's bizarre, according to this it's almost as if you have to have a good team to win a championship.

Ty for posting.
 
We have topped out and reached our ceiling. It's time for a huge change.

disagree. I'm not going to debate Miami's OL/DL need upgrades. I'd lose that debate. But, I think there is enough talent on the team to be 7-5 or 8-6, *IF* the OC/DC were good at scheme/adjustments/and plain 'ol NFL basics, even WITH TT's absence.
Given that, I think fans have seen enough of Mcd to know he won't change without a gun to his head.
 
Found this online. It's a few years old.

Teams that won with balance

14 of the last 25 Super Bowl winners were top 10 in both offense and defense. What is interesting is that in the 90s it was very common for balanced things to win, then in the early 2000s you don't see many of them, but four of the last 5 winners were balanced.

YearTeamOffensive RankingDefensive Ranking
1993Cowboys26
199449ers16
1995Cowboys19
1996Packers12
1997Broncos16
1999Rams12
2001Patriots76
2004Patriots54
2005Steelers64
2010Packers81
2013Seahawks91
2014Patriots38
2016Patriots51
2017Eagles44
Teams that had a much better offense than defense

There are four examples where a team had a top 10 offense but a lower ranked defense

YearTeamOffensive RankingDefensive Ranking
1998Broncos213
2006Colts128
2009Saints216
2011Giants924
Teams that had a much better defense than offense

There are five teams that won with a top 2 defense and a lower ranked offense. The Ravens, Bucs and Broncos being the prime examples when someone brings up defenses that straight up carried the teams to a title.

YearTeamOffensive RankingDefensive Ranking
2000Ravens181
2002Buccaneers231
2003Patriots161
2008Steelers182
2015Broncos241
The outliers: teams that were balanced but not top ranked on either side

There were two teams that won with neither the offense or defense being ranked top 10. Prime examples that people bring up of unlikely teams getting hot.

YearTeamOffensive RankingDefensive Ranking
2007Giants1516
2012Ravens1111

I did a lengthy study a few yrs back on teams that made it to the SB, not just winners, the previous 20 yrs. IIRC, almost ALL teams had at least 3 of 5 characteristics - top HC, top QB, top 10 OL, top 10 O, top 10 D. Yes, there is some overlap. Again, IIRC, only one team violated that rule - the Pats and they were just outside top 10 in 2 categories.
 
The NFL penalized ross a first round pick and Grier did some stupid trade up squandered a first round pick trade back. That could have been two additional first round OL picks. Then McD, the slow learner he is doesn't realize a missed tackle against Buffalo at home last year made us go to KC and he thinks everything is fine with ST, then a new, fairly untrained returner cost us a possible chance for us to see another one and done in the playoffs. You can make an argument that Grier has supplied a team with just enough talent to win in the playoffs if they don't "shot themselves in the foot." More introspection should have been done about Crossman and Puloka at the end of last season and McD needs to do a lot better faster. Will any changes be made if we end up with 8 or more wins?
Nope...'cuz Ross is a football idiot.
 
Found this online. It's a few years old.

Teams that won with balance

14 of the last 25 Super Bowl winners were top 10 in both offense and defense. What is interesting is that in the 90s it was very common for balanced things to win, then in the early 2000s you don't see many of them, but four of the last 5 winners were balanced.

YearTeamOffensive RankingDefensive Ranking
1993Cowboys26
199449ers16
1995Cowboys19
1996Packers12
1997Broncos16
1999Rams12
2001Patriots76
2004Patriots54
2005Steelers64
2010Packers81
2013Seahawks91
2014Patriots38
2016Patriots51
2017Eagles44
Teams that had a much better offense than defense

There are four examples where a team had a top 10 offense but a lower ranked defense

YearTeamOffensive RankingDefensive Ranking
1998Broncos213
2006Colts128
2009Saints216
2011Giants924
Teams that had a much better defense than offense

There are five teams that won with a top 2 defense and a lower ranked offense. The Ravens, Bucs and Broncos being the prime examples when someone brings up defenses that straight up carried the teams to a title.

YearTeamOffensive RankingDefensive Ranking
2000Ravens181
2002Buccaneers231
2003Patriots161
2008Steelers182
2015Broncos241
The outliers: teams that were balanced but not top ranked on either side

There were two teams that won with neither the offense or defense being ranked top 10. Prime examples that people bring up of unlikely teams getting hot.

YearTeamOffensive RankingDefensive Ranking
2007Giants1516
2012Ravens1111

Great find bdizz! Thank you.
 
Whatever dude. It’s the same thing if you are in your 40s or 50s. Same team. Sorry you don’t like my post and don’t need my analysis. You cry hear every week bitching to fire everyone. Will that help ? They been firing people since the 1990s and now we are back to the same team exactly. We probably will not fire Grier or McDaniel this year and I am in favor of keeping McDaniel. But I bet the next person doesn’t get it right. None of these clowns have learned from the past and all of us fans see the problem.

Look at a player like Chop Robison. He probably will be good. But man in the cold weather games with bad traction. These guys are not as effective.
Keeping McDaniel.? This weirdo cant even get the plays in from the sideline. Even after 3 years. He is a moron. Why would any fan want to keep an incompetent coach. High school coaches can get the plays in.
McDaniel has no clue on how to install toughness or discipline. This is one of the dumbest teams in the league in football IQ
 
Keeping McDaniel.? This weirdo cant even get the plays in from the sideline. Even after 3 years. He is a moron. Why would any fan want to keep an incompetent coach. High school coaches can get the plays in.
McDaniel has no clue on how to install toughness or discipline. This is one of the dumbest teams in the league in football IQ
I believe we had two delay of game penalties that's unacceptable this late in the season.
 
I'm 46, so I grew up watching Marino like many of you. He's the reason that I'm a Fin Fan today. He's the best pure passer that I've ever seen. He had his flaws, don't get me wrong, but man could he sling it. I watched him play a flag football game when he was 60 and he could still throw 50 yards on a rope. I thought those teams were so good as a kid, but I grew up to realized that they stunk. Without Marino, they were 5 or 6 win teams. He played with zero hall of famers on offense. We thought Duper and Clayton were so great, but when they left, the production was the same with whoever they put in there. Back to the original post though. The style of play sucked. We had no running game and no defense when Marino was in his prime. At times they would try to get the running game going and it just wouldn't work. This was pathetic because you know teams were sitting back in 2 high safeties. Finally, it would look like Marino would just say "Screw it, give me the ball" and he would throw 50 times a game. Then we'd score and the defense would just let them walk down the field and score too. The only way we won alot of those games was because we had the ball last. Go back and look at some of those Shula GM rosters, remove Marino and see how crappy they actually are.
Shula, may he RIP, had a hand in building those rosters.
 
Miami's blueprint when they won back-to-back super bowls was about physical, smart, disciplined football.

When New England was winning all those super bowls, it was nearly the exact blueprint.

Kansas City is known as an offensive team, but they have one of the better defenses. There's a reason the Chiefs are consistently winning those close games too. They don't make a lot of mistakes.

Simply put, the great teams don't beat themselves. This league is so close that a handful of plays determine games.

The challenge for Miami is a couple of things. One, they are the only warm weather team in their division. Two, they are built to win with speed. Three, they have a coach who hasn't developed a physical style.

Nothing wrong with having speed, but to compete with the big boys you've got to be the bully. You've got to be the team breaking tackles and getting extra yards, not the one flat on your back as the running back races past you.

I think Miami has the wrong blueprint. Although, I think there's still some hope. McDaniel has developed a pretty good running game without a lot of talent on the offensive line.

Can he start emphasizing more physical/demanding practices? Enough where Miami can tackle better, convert short yardage etc?

Part of it is talent too. The Dolphins guard play isn't good. With Phillips and Chubb out the pass rush is spotty at best.
 
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Yep if you are like me and started watching team in 1984 or 83 and in your 40s. This has to look very familiar. I remember that 1991 playoff game. Except I was in middle school and shrugged it off by playing football outside that day and thinking Marino would get us one eventually.
Sadly I've been in this turmoil and anguish a little longer than you. Im 57. I remember sitting in Jacksonville thinking we were going to run the table and go to the superbowl. 62-7 drubbing. I couldnt move. I literally couldn't stand up to leave the stadium. I was heartbroken when we lost to the chargers in the 95. That 94 team was stacked and we were on our way ( again). Yes- i thought for sure 13 would bring one home for us.

The Phins have taken years off my life. As I tell my wife, next year is our year, and she always says yep, next year......
 
Whoa settle down, I'm not hating on your post. I actually agree with someone it. Although Marino actually got us to a superbowl. Won multiple playoff games. But can't argue he and the team didn't come up short because they did. I'm just saying all those thing you point out are due to the gm and the coach. That's all. Relax bud

I didn’t take your reply as hate either. It’s just as simple as you stated: drafting & coaching.

I still enjoyed Bane’s comparison of the 90’s. These teams are just not built to win in December & beyond.

The problem is we seem cursed when it comes to timing. We get JJ who wanted to implement the ground game but does it by taking away audibles from one of the most brilliant QBs ever to play.

Parcells comes in & takes us from 1-15 to 11-5 but acquires a broken Pennington to save us & drafts a black White for the future. (Black White is just a play on words, people- no racism implication intended)

Last year seemed like we could outscore any team in the league but McD’s Tua intermediate pass game gets figured out & the McGenius turns out to be a McOne-Gameplan-Wonder/can’t adjust.

If it’s not a curse, it’s terrible luck. If it’s none of the above, the freckle-faced alien playing our simulation is one sadistic prick.
 
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