Unpopular Opinion: I wouldn't hate it if Mike McDaniel wasn't fired and got another season under a new GM.

[Mach2]

Exactly. The hyperbole and parroting is just lazy. Like you wrote, the truth is there. But when you show someone the truth they’ll either move the goalposts or get defensive and build a straw man or get personal. Happens to me a lot.

Perhaps it's your adversarial approach?

......lol

 

[Neptune]

Exactly. The hyperbole and parroting is just lazy. Like you wrote, the truth is there. But when you show someone the truth they’ll either move the goalposts or get defensive and build a straw man or get personal. Happens to me a lot.

Because you make stuff up as you go along e.g
HC aren’t responsible for discipline
HC don’t make changes at the half

So when you do come up with researched facts no one believes them

 

[danmarino7051]

Perhaps it's your adversarial approach?

......lol

Maybe. I’m working on it. Even then, I still get a lot of anger when I just post the stats and nothing else.

 

[danmarino7051]

Because you make stuff up as you go along e.g
HC aren’t responsible for discipline
HC don’t make changes at the half

So when you do come up with researched facts no one believes them

I’ve given lots of info regarding both of those things. I can’t help it if you ignore it and/or don’t understand it. Hell, I posted a video of Manning literally saying that he’s never been a part of one halftime adjustment. In that same video there were other HoF coaches and players saying the same thing. Ignore it if you want.

As for the “discipline” thing I’ve repeatedly asked what can a HC do besides fine and/or bench a player. McD has done both. Yet no one, including yourself, has ever once given me an example of what they can do to “discipline” a 300lb multiple millionaire grown man. Maybe you can do that now since you’re so distraught over it? I won’t hold my breath.

 

[Mach2]

Maybe. I’m working on it. Even then, I still get a lot of anger when I just post the stats and nothing else.

Well, JMO, but stats aren't always representative of reality in all contexts.

For example, you are fond of posting stats for Tua. The numbers often look great, but they are also often devoid of context, particularly the context of the given discussion. They are an oversimplification and not really reflective of overall ability, especially when considering preferred intangibles of an "elite" of "franchise" (two terms with no concrete definition) QB.

 

[danmarino7051]

Well, JMO, but stats aren't always representative of reality in all contexts.

For example, you are fond of posting stats for Tua. The numbers often look great, but they are also often devoid of context, particularly the context of the given discussion. They are an oversimplification and not really reflective of overall ability, especially when considering preferred intangibles of an "elite" of "franchise" (two terms with no concrete definition) QB.

You can definitely cherry pick stats, but it’s hard to ignore stats when multiple stats are compiled over a good amount of time.

Like Tua will have an objectively great game, with a 115PR, but the Dolphins lose and people will use that loss as a reason they think Tua sucks.

It’s very rare for a QB to post a PR of over 100 for three straight seasons. We can say it’s an outlier to do it once, maybe twice, but not three times in a row.

Tua’s problems in 2022-2024 were his injuries… granted most self caused. That’s a legit criticism and one that I’ve not shied away from. But just screaming Tua sucks because you (not you, just in general) think he has a weak arm, for example, is just lazy. Tua has, or had, an NFL arm. He could make all the throws required by an NFL QB and he did it really well. Throwing the ball 70 yards isn’t an NFL throw. Throwing a football 60MPH is not common and that doesn’t mean a person has an NFL arm. A person can go on YouTube and watch guys throwing absolute darts 80+ yards…. Put them in an NFL game and they’d turn into hard throwing mess.

 

[Mach2]

You can definitely cherry pick stats, but it’s hard to ignore stats when multiple stats are compiled over a good amount of time.

Like Tua will have an objectively great game, with a 115PR, but the Dolphins lose and people will use that loss as a reason they think Tua sucks.

It’s very rare for a QB to post a PR of over 100 for three straight seasons. We can say it’s an outlier to do it once, maybe twice, but not three times in a row.

Tua’s problems in 2022-2024 were his injuries… granted most self caused. That’s a legit criticism and one that I’ve not shied away from. But just screaming Tua sucks because you (not you, just in general) think he has a weak arm, for example, is just lazy. Tua has, or had, an NFL arm. He could make all the throws required by an NFL QB and he did it really well. Throwing the ball 70 yards isn’t an NFL throw. Throwing a football 60MPH is not common and that doesn’t mean a person has an NFL arm. A person can go on YouTube and watch guys throwing absolute darts 80+ yards…. Put them in an NFL game and they’d turn into hard throwing mess.

He doesn't have a strong arm. He is neither athletic nor mobile. He isn't going to pull it down and run for that crucial, needed first down, etc. He isn't going to make off platform throws, or otherwise make thing happen when $hit breaks down around him. Raw stats can't really measure those qualities


No, he isn't as horrible as some purport, though this year he has been bad at times.

On the other hand, I don't believe, despite his nice stats, that he is a top QB, and is not likely to come through on a regular basis when the going gets rough.

I guess you find it a personal affront when ppl blame him for all our woes. I don't think it's worth arguing about at this point. The writing is on the subway walls and tenement halls. He done in Miami, and in all likelihood as a viable starting NFL QB.

You may disagree.

 

[djphinfan]

Djphinfan needs to talk to danmarino7051 and relay to him what he witnessed at last year's scrimmages against Atlanta during practice. We arrive last and leave 1st, no extra work. Says a lot about coaching.

He knows and he has told me he thinks it’s a player discipline issue not a coaching issue

I reiterated and told him when your team comes out an hour after the visiting team does and then The visiting team has 3 dozen players working after and we have 0 then it’s a coaching issue, me and him go back and forth respectfully all time on this

The pregame routine in preseason was just as embarrassing

 

[danmarino7051]

He knows and he has told me he thinks it’s a player discipline issue not a coaching issue

I reiterated and told him when your team comes out an hour after the visiting team does and then The visiting team has 3 dozen players working after and we have 0 then it’s a coaching issue, me and him go back and forth respectfully all time on this

The pregame routine in preseason was just as embarrassing

Still love you though man… not all of us can be right all the time.

 

[danmarino7051]

He doesn't have a strong arm. He is neither athletic nor mobile. He isn't going to pull it down and run for that crucial, needed first down, etc. He isn't going to make off platform throws, or otherwise make thing happen when $hit breaks down around him. Raw stats can't really measure those qualities


No, he isn't as horrible as some purport, though this year he has been bad at times.

On the other hand, I don't believe, despite his nice stats, that he is a top QB, and is not likely to come through on a regular basis when the going gets rough.

I guess you find it a personal affront when ppl blame him for all our woes. I don't think it's worth arguing about at this point. The writing is on the subway walls and tenement halls. He done in Miami, and in all likelihood as a viable starting NFL QB.

You may disagree.

I don’t think he has a “strong” arm when compared to guys like Mahomes or Allen, but he has (had) an NFL arm.

He’s no longer capable of getting a few yards with his legs. I agree with that. He’s been excellent in moving in the pocket and in ball handing, which cancels some of those things out. He’s also elite with anticipation and accuracy. (Before this season).

Stats, again when looking at them all and over a good sample size, are extremely hard to argue against. All QB’s have limitations, but Tua has been in the running for MVP and has been near the top of or lead the league in nearly all of the major QB stats over a 3 year period. He was definitely a top QB over that span.

I don’t take anything personal here unless it’s personal. I find dishonesty and laziness tiring, however. I laugh off way more personal attacks than I reply to, however.

I’ve written numerous times since week 3 of 2024 that the Dolphins need to move on from Tua. Mainly due to his inability to stay healthy. This year he just looks done. Whether that’s injury related, mental related, a combination of both, I don’t know.

 

[Kyndig]

First I know the odds of this happening are slim to none. A new GM will want his own coach, and the odds they stick with McDaniel unless there is a drastic turnaround from here on out is slim to none.

Second - I don't hold McDaniel blameless for this dumpster fire. The season we all loved when things were going great and Miami was looking like a Super Bowl team, I started to really feel a certain kind of way about all the nonsense we were getting a glimpse into with Hard Knocks. Practice time being used to plan TD celebrations, etc. I realized if things got rough, McDaniel's schtick would get old real quick, and it's hard to have prolonged success in the NFL as a "player's coach". I'm also concerned about his inability to coherently answer questions going back to the start of last season.

That said - If you look at most of the consistently successful teams in today's NFL, most of them have been patient with head coaches. I'd like to see if McDaniel could have success with a new QB and how he would develop a new QB. I still think he has potential to keep learning and be a successful NFL head coach, but maybe I'm crazy. Also despite all the losing - he's still a likable guy. I've been pitchfork in hand with all of Miami's past head coaches that have flamed out but I don't feel that way about McDaniel. Maybe I'm just sentimental or maybe it's the fact that being a federal employee over the past 9 months has me feeling a little off about cheering for someone to lose their job or livelihood. I even feel bad for Chris Grier, even though I know that's 1000% the right move!!

Either way, here we are again - Miami Dolphins rebuilding. I hope they get the GM right. Nobody in house, nobody that was associated with this past decade plus of mediocrity. Let's not forget, Chris Grier had the stench of Ireland on him! Let's power wash the last remnants of the Ireland era out of the front office!!

Dude rambles too much to be a good leader.

 

[EasyRider]

It would depend on the GM. My statement is made to prove the point that a new GM is not automatically going to get rid of the coach, just because he wasn't the one who hired him. That seems to be a very popular opinion here and in the news media. If I was the GM, Im talking to everyone and see what value they bring to the organization. Then I make the decision on who stays or goes. I've done this myself whan I take over a new department in my company. I don't just fire everyone because I didn't hire them. You evalaute first then make the changes necessary.

Wrong
If you knew anything how this works no GM is coming here or anywhere else if he is told the coach stays
GM under most circumstances picks his own people
There is nothing about McD that you can sell to a new GM

 

[EasyRider]

When McDaniel was hired I thought I was getting a run game coordinator and our offense would resemble the 49ers. I’ve had buyer’s remorse ever since. If he remains pass happy I want him gone.

Pass happy??? We’re running the ball this year

 

[EasyRider]

Because you make stuff up as you go along e.g
HC aren’t responsible for discipline
HC don’t make changes at the half

So when you do come up with researched facts no one believes them

McD is the OC
He’s responsible for making changes at the half
Although he just doesn’t

 

[Jamesw]

He is a troll and all you did was fall for it.

Coaches don't scout during preseason ... coaches don't instill culture ... no motion rule change ... our cap is fine ... that 4th & 2 play was Achane's fault ...

He's arguing just to argue. He has no actual stance on any of these issues. He is the definition of an internet troll ... Just like that other Marino who already outed himself as one.

We will agree to disagree on that. Regardless, we have an interesting re-build on our hands over the next 24 months