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Unpopular Opinion: I wouldn't hate it if Mike McDaniel wasn't fired and got another season under a new GM.

Dolphin North said:
Just need to verify something. Are you saying a GM does not lead the coaching search and hiring and firing of the coach in most cases?

Are you of the belief that MacD would have nothing to do with the offensive system if he were not his own OC? You know he would almost certainly bring in another Shanahan desciple to run the Shanahan system and call the plays, right?
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It is nonsense for GM to ask the head coach to give up the play calling and hire an offensive coordinator for that.
It would be like telling that to Reid, or McVey or Shanahan, or Ben Johnson. You specifically hired him for the offensive system and playcalling. That's his job. And he already has the offensive coordinator, Frank Smith here.

Now the GM is being hostile and intrusive into HCs business, which is outside of his powers.
If the GM does not like the head coach, he can lobby to fire the HC.

The GM for the Dolphins does not have the power over the head coach. Dolphins are similar to the Patriots, Bills, Chiefs, and so on. GM is not going to be able to fire Vrabel, Reid, McDermott, and so on. GM and HC have separate responsibilities and report to ownership, or in some of those organizations to the President. They are part of the executive team.
But yes, if there is no head coach on the team, and there is a GM, then of course GM will be part of the coaching search. And vice versa. They are on the executive team.
 
try everything you can to get McDaniel to stay with Miami, but be the OC after this season. Get Jon Gruden as the HC. That is a perfect world.
 
LargoFin said:
It is nonsense for GM to ask the head coach to give up the play calling and hire an offensive coordinator for that.
It would be like telling that to Reid, or McVey or Shanahan, or Ben Johnson. You specifically hired him for the offensive system and playcalling. That's his job. And he already has the offensive coordinator, Frank Smith here.

Now the GM is being hostile and intrusive into HCs business, which is outside of his powers.
If the GM does not like the head coach, he can lobby to fire the HC.

The GM for the Dolphins does not have the power over the head coach. Dolphins are similar to the Patriots, Bills, Chiefs, and so on. GM is not going to be able to fire Vrabel, Reid, McDermott, and so on. GM and HC have separate responsibilities and report to ownership, or in some of those organizations to the President. They are part of the executive team.
But yes, if there is no head coach on the team, and there is a GM, then of course GM will be part of the coaching search. And vice versa. They are on the executive team.
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I don't quite understand. The GM has the power to hire/fire the HC. Get it. The GM CAN'T tell the HC to get an OC. Organizationally, that may be true. But, if the GM feels strongly enough he can say . . . 'you do know I can fire you for clearing your throat. Get an OC. Don't want to? You're replacement will have a new OC.' No, the GM can't force the HC to do anything, but he can make the consequences extreme. PARTICULARLY if the owner agrees with him.
 
fansinceGWilson said:
I don't quite understand. The GM has the power to hire/fire the HC. Get it. The GM CAN'T tell the HC to get an OC. Organizationally, that may be true. But, if the GM feels strongly enough he can say . . . 'you do know I can fire you for clearing your throat. Get an OC. Don't want to? Your replacement will have a new OC.' No, the GM can't force the HC to do anything, but he can make the consequences extreme. PARTICULARLY if the owner agrees with him.
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I don’t think that’s true in Miami’s current structure that the GM can fire the HC. Maybe that will change. Grier reported directly to Ross and so does McD.
 
fansinceGWilson said:
I don't quite understand. The GM has the power to hire/fire the HC. Get it.
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No, they do not have that power. Not in general, and not with the Dolphins. And the proof is the firing of Chris Grier if you needed any proof. Also, the HC reports directly to the Managing Partner, Ross, as has been reported many times.
On certain teams which are the exceptions, the GM is also the President or a Vice President under the ownership and then he has that power like Roseman, Schneider, Les Snead for example. Those are exceptions of GMs who have ascended to position of President through years of service with the organization.
 
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LargoFin said:
No, they do not have that power. Not in general, and not with the Dolphins. And the proof is the firing of Chris Grier if you needed any proof. Also, the HC reports directly to the Managing Partner, Ross, as has been reported many times.
On certain teams which are the exceptions, the GM is also the President or a Vice President under the ownership and then he has that power like Roseman, Schneider, Les Snead for example. Those are exceptions of GMs who have ascended to position of President through years of service with the organization.
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I admit I don't know for certain how Miami works. I'm going on reports here Grier has chosen HCs - one of the complaints about him - and posts wanting Grier to fire Mcd.
 
I’m coming around on this notion now that Grier is gone. Let the new GM come in and fix the cap mess Grier left. Take the one year cap hits on Tyreek and Chubb to clear the deck. Give McDaniel a season to prove his worth if the team over performs with a bunch of young guys getting to 8 or 9 wins he’s the man for the job. If he produces this dumpster fire again…he’s canned, Tua is goes without the massive cap hit and the new coach comes in with $100m+ in cap space to work with to build the team the right way.
 
How many more years does McDummy get?
One more year, then another because it’s someone else’s fault. Grier didn’t just draft or trade for players without McD agreeing.
What is McD good at?
Media calls?
Preparing a team?
Calling plays?
Designing plays the players can deliver?
He’s had four years the novelty has worn off, other teams are wise to him. He must follow Grier, doing the same thing over and over that doesn’t work is just lunacy.
Ross must clear the decks, dump McD, dump Tua asap, get a good GM, clear the cap, get draft picks. Build for the future
McD is part of the problem not part of the solution
Start again
 
LargoFin said:
It is nonsense for GM to ask the head coach to give up the play calling and hire an offensive coordinator for that.
It would be like telling that to Reid, or McVey or Shanahan, or Ben Johnson. You specifically hired him for the offensive system and playcalling. That's his job. And he already has the offensive coordinator, Frank Smith here.

Now the GM is being hostile and intrusive into HCs business, which is outside of his powers.
If the GM does not like the head coach, he can lobby to fire the HC.

The GM for the Dolphins does not have the power over the head coach. Dolphins are similar to the Patriots, Bills, Chiefs, and so on. GM is not going to be able to fire Vrabel, Reid, McDermott, and so on. GM and HC have separate responsibilities and report to ownership, or in some of those organizations to the President. They are part of the executive team.
But yes, if there is no head coach on the team, and there is a GM, then of course GM will be part of the coaching search. And vice versa. They are on the executive team.
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It actually wouldn't be the same as suggesting it to Reid, etc. They have a lot of success, so it would be ridiculous to suggest a change. If you think MM is currently showing that he deserves the same level of autonomy as Reid, then I understand why you disagree with what I think could happen / help. I see a hc who can't manage a 2 minute drill and routinely burns time outs due to not getting plays in on time. I'd like to see him on gameday with less on his plate. If you think a gm and owner shouldn't meddle in a .500 coach's business, then keep doing the same and expect the same. Unless they just fire him, but then your (and my) coveted Shanahan offense might be gone too, depending on who they hire.
 
Dolphin North said:
It actually wouldn't be the same as suggesting it to Reid, etc. They have a lot of success, so it would be ridiculous to suggest a change. If you think MM is currently showing that he deserves the same level of autonomy as Reid, then I understand why you disagree with what I think could happen / help. I see a hc who can't manage a 2 minute drill and routinely burns time outs due to not getting plays in on time. I'd like to see him on gameday with less on his plate. If you think a gm and owner shouldn't meddle in a .500 coach's business, then keep doing the same and expect the same. Unless they just fire him, but then your (and my) coveted Shanahan offense might be gone too, depending on who they hire.
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Then fire him. You cannot tell a HC what to do. It's hostile, intrusive, inappropriate. You sound like an idiot. He was not hired to listen to your sht. He was hired to run the offense and the team however he sees fit. If you believe you made a mistake and need a different offense, then fire him. You cannot run his business.

The problem is you've done this for two decades. Hired the guy then you don't like it, then you fire him, every couple of years. Sounds to me you have no clue what you are doing. You are a two decade failure. Who the fk are you to tell anyone what to do?
 

This is an interesting angle.

It would surely give McD an opportunity to prove naysayers wrong.

If there is magic with Ewers and McD can find it ... stranger things have happened.

:cheers:
 
LargoFin said:
Then fire him. You cannot tell a HC what to do. It's hostile, intrusive, inappropriate. You sound like an idiot. He was not hired to listen to your sht. He was hired to run the offense and the team however he sees fit. If you believe you made a mistake and need a different offense, then fire him. You cannot run his business.

The problem is you've done this for two decades. Hired the guy then you don't like it, then you fire him, every couple of years. Sounds to me you have no clue what you are doing. You are a two decade failure. Who the fk are you to tell anyone what to do?
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You're not a 2 decade failure. Your the new GM. You have inherited a franchise that will not likely attract established coaches, so you're looking at another green HC, which may be fine. But if you like the system- well, we're going in circles here 😆
 
Dolphin North said:
You're not a 2 decade failure. Your the new GM. You have inherited a franchise that will not likely attract established coaches, so you're looking at another green HC, which may be fine. But if you like the system- well, we're going in circles here 😆
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That's right, if I am the GM, my primary goal is not to change the head coach. Or staff the office with my loyals to secure the chair for the next 10 years and milk the owner. My primary and only goal is to build a Super Bowl roster. I am not firing the head coach, unless he is not about Super Bowl but something else. Yes, I am firing everyone who is not solely about Super Bowl.
 
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