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Vegas Over/Under for our Fins

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Apprently just released on "The Herd" on ESPN radio. He rounded down for any half games. Not sure about that credibility of breaking the story but that is what they are billing it as.

They have us slotted at 8-8.
NE 11-5
NYJ also 8-8

Sorry I don't have a link to all the listings.

Vegas is pretty damn good, but they also place these to induce action.
I personally will take the over, but I got these nice aqua colored glasses.
 
They place these, if I'm not mistaken, to induce neutral action. Ideally they want as much betting on the over as on the under, and so the house runs no risk of paying out anything whereas they get to take a small percentage of every single bet as fee.
 
I wouldn't mind an 8-8 season if only to get a middle of the round 1st rounder and one more year of FA and drafting to become a great team in '10.
 
Im taking the over, just barely. I predict 9-7(a strong 9-7, not a Jets 9-7). I just cannot fathom the three amigos leading us to a losing season after last year.
 
I wouldn't mind an 8-8 season if only to get a middle of the round 1st rounder and one more year of FA and drafting to become a great team in '10.

dude no offense, but after an 11-5 season and making the playoffs how could you possibly be content with being at 8-8? there's no way that i'm satisfied with these "Vegas Predictions". Everyone is saying we aren't going anywhere this season and that everything will supposedly come together in 2010. Who's to say that we can't put it all together this season? We have the talent and the coaching staff. Just think of what they predicted the Dolphins to be last year...6-10? They don't know anything about NFL predictions. Tell me, how many "Vegas Experts" had the Cardinals going to the Super Bowl? Sorry for being angry about this...
 
I personally like to wait until rosters are actually set to make predictions. That's just me. Chad Pennington's shoulder explodes in training camp and this team won't win six games next year. Tom Brady gets hit by a bus driven by an under the influence Koren Robinson, and the Dolphins likely win the division.
 
i won 200$ taking the over when they had the fins at 5 1/2 last year..

i think i'll bet that 200 on us over 8 1/2 and get 400!
 
So? The o/u is 8.5? I want a slice of that action and Nevada is only 2 hours away.

9 wins in '09 is very reasonable IMO. Of course, I thought 7 wins after getting CP and beating the pats & SD early last season was a best case scenario.
 
They place these, if I'm not mistaken, to induce neutral action. Ideally they want as much betting on the over as on the under, and so the house runs no risk of paying out anything whereas they get to take a small percentage of every single bet as fee.


CK hit it on the head.

Vegas isnt saying we are an 8-8 team. They set the line to get an equal amount of bets over as under. Vegas makes its money on the "Juice" or "Vig."

If bets start coming in heavier on one side than the other, they will either adjust the spread or lay off the bets to other sports books.

Right now, the public perception is that the fins have a difficult schedule, got lucky last year, and will decline this year. If they set us at 9 or 10 wins they would get too many under bets, which would increase their risk.

Remember, Vegas not only takes into account schedules and strength of the team, but the public's perception (which probably weighs more heavily than anything else)
 
I have 10 on them in Vegas to win the AFC at 20-1 and 38-1 for the SB.
Made at the end of March
 
let me look into my crystal ball and foretell the future.

I see it snowing in alaska on December 25
I see the Bills starting off hot but colapsing and t.o. pulling a t.o.

I see Turkeys being tossed out of helicopter over Sam Madison Stadium aka dolphins stadium on thanksgiving weekend.

I can see Wanny wining a conference championship .

I for see oops My crystal ball is acting up but wait here is a picture of the jets starting off hot but they too collapsed and kaous erupts

ah here it is the miami dolphins start off slow but sudenly we blossom and we win the division again and go 13 -3
 
I posted months ago that it would be 8 or 8.5. That's probably what you will see, a mixture of 8 over and 8.5 under, meaning the juice will favor over 8 or under 8.5, depending on which number the individual book chooses to use.

Keep in mind the season over/unders are primarily the feast of the sharpest bettors in town, the guys who routinely tie up tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands for the duration of the season. They can afford to do that if they have significant edge, or are able to play a "middle" like over 8.5 and under 9.5. Sometimes these numbers can run, or jump, from one number to another if there is a vital injury or acquisition(s).

Vegas wise guys look to bet the under on those season wins. A conservative estimate is 75% of the time. I used to be involved in a 3-man group with two of the biggest bettors in town, circa '94 to '98. I doubt we bet over on the season wins more than a handful of times. If so, it was always on the lowest numbers, like Miami last year.

They know the public loves the over and therefore the numbers often are shaded toward the over. It's not uncommon for the season wins to add up to 4 or 5 more wins than is possible in an NFL season, given the number of games. It seemingly impacts everyone, the fascination with over. A few years ago Greg Cote made his NFL predictions for every team on the eve of the season and had something like 12 more wins than is possible. :lol:

The NFL is a bounce league. If you won significantly fewer or more than expected a year ago, the tendency is to recoil toward the previous level. The wise guys know that so they are salivating to bet Miami under, regardless of personnel specifics. It doesn't have to be correct handicapping but in Nevada the idea is to persistently grasp small sensible advantage. The big bettors don't see Parcells or Sparano or Pennington or anyone else when evaluating the '09 Dolphins. That's the brutal reality. I've been among the conversations, linesmaking and betting for two decades. Personnel literally never comes up, unless it's something dramatic like a star QB going down or shifting teams. They used to look at me like someone from outer space when I broke down personnel matchups, particularly in the trenches, on the radio sports wagering programs on the eve of the games. Las Vegas sharps see Miami as an 11-5 team that was projected to win 5 or 6 times. The next season that type of team more often than not will decline, and by more than expected. It's that simple. Let's hope it's wrong.

Frankly, it makes no sense to tie up small amounts on the season win prop. There has to be a value consideration and no way a 4-8 month hold (depending when you wager) equates to value if it is a small to moderate wager. Too many guys make that bet as an amusement, or something to chat and brag about. I guess that's okay but serious players wouldn't think of it. You'd be much better off saving the cash and using it for week to week speculation.
 
If I were and betting man, and I am, I would bet the under. Of course over 8 wins is inticing after what we did last season. Vegas plays off our your emotions. They want your emotions to become involved because you will the bet with delusion. Vegas knows what they're doing whether you guys want to believe it or not. They may whiff every now and then, but it's not often. I caught Vegas whiffing BIG only ONCE last season on Baltimore -8 over Oakland. It was the only time I caught them really whiffing.

Guys, don't get suckered by your emotions and bet heavily on the Dolphins over 8. Last season they had Miami's over/under at 5.5 but this was BEFORE acquiring Pennington. Once Chad came to town, Vegas lifted that over/under and the wise guys were betting it hard and driving that win total up.
 
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