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Vernon Carey is our best offensive lineman, right now.

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Hey guys. I know I've been promising to take a closer look at the Bears preseason game to see how our offensive linemen did. I have my own system for grading these guys.

The reason I decided to do this was because I had seen various reports that Carey struggled against Alex Brown. That certainly isn't what I remembered seeing during the game, so I checked.

Without a doubt, Vernon Carey was our best and most consistent lineman out there on Monday night. Note that this was just one game, but I am absolutely certain of the results of that game. This could change, no doubt, but at least this Monday night Carey was the best out there.

Two years ago I did the same thing with a preseason game tape against the Jaguars and graded out Wade Smith, who went up primarily against Hugh Douglass that night. Smith graded out bad, even though everyone was clamoring over the fact that Douglass got no sacks and no tackles.

Observations:

1. Zone blocking is perfect for Carey. His power is evident. He's got the power to make two blocks in succession, and actually affect the path of both blockers. What I'm saying is that just a "chip" block from Carey, as the first of successive blocks, can take a guy out of a play when it's Carey doing the blocking.

2. During his quarter and a half of game play, Carey screwed up twice. That includes run blocking and pass blocking. His worst screwup was NOT the A.J. Feeley sack by Brian Urlacher. A few plays before that, on a 3 step drop, Brown succeeded in faking Carey out on an outside-inside move, and blew right past him after Carey barely got hands on him. Brown was on his way straight into the QB when Feeley got rid of the ball (actually I believe it was a complete pass, too). That was not a failure that is as bad as it possibly gets but it was still failure. The other failure was the Urlacher sack. But, it wasn't as bad as it seemed. Urlacher green-dog blitzed on a 7 step drop and Feeley really should have seen it coming. Had Urlacher not done that, Feeley would have DEFINITELY gotten the ball off. Brown did nothing more than get a paw on Feeley's bicep as a result of Carey's blocking (or non-blocking). No doubt he beat Carey to the outside and got Carey off balance, but Carey recovered in time to prevent the sack. This would not have gone down as a sack on Carey under any circumstances...however the other play I was talking about, had it been a 5 or 7 step drop, it would have been a sack and the sack would have been hanging over Carey's head.

3. I was not able to give Carey a failing or even partial-failing grade on any single play. None. Not any run play, not any pass play. He pancaked Alex Brown twice (once on a run play, another time on a pass play). Every other time, he fulfilled his blocking assignment perfectly. And by that I mean the guys he was responsible for blocking were fully locked out of the action on every play. On pass plays, that means the guys he blocked were nowhere near making a play on the passer, and on run plays, he blocked them away from the action by the runningback.

Other notes:

Lamar Gordon sucks so much it's incredible. First run play to the right side, the entire right side is blasted wide open...blockers have their defenders tied up, all Lamar has to do is step to the right and he's got the speed and daylight to maybe even take it to the house. Nope. He cuts inside, to the only spot where there are free defenders unblocked, and gets tackled for a 3 yard gain. Way to go.

In case you were wondering who graded out as our worst linemen among the starters, it was Jeno James and John St. Clair. They got manhandled in general, failing grades like every other play. Jeno was slightly worst than John. I know Jeno was shaking off that dehydration thing a little still, but really the guy was letting DTs blast right up the middle on run plays and pass plays. That's just not acceptable. And Stockar McDougle really did have some struggles against Ogunleye...which just showed me that hey, Ogun really IS pretty good lol.

The important thing to take away is that Carey was our best lineman out there, which is exactly what your LT should be. He shows tremendous power, very quick feet, and the ability to make successive reads and blocks. I never thought I'd be saying this after last year. I had given up hope on him. It makes me so mad at the previous coaching staff for not realizing what we had, especially after we gave up a 1st and 4th to get him!
 
Nice job.

I looked at the tape too and realized that people on this board where crazy for saying Carey did not do well Monday night.

Another observation about the oline I saw.

Frank Middleton. Wow. He needs to start, like now.

I firmly believe our o-line on September 11th against Denver will be:

LT: Vernon Carey
LG: Jeno James
C: Rex Hadnot
RG: Frank Middleton
RT: Stockar McDougle
 
DolphinDevil28 said:
Nice job.

I looked at the tape too and realized that people on this board where crazy for saying Carey did not do well Monday night.

Another observation about the oline I saw.

Frank Middleton. Wow. He needs to start, like now.

I firmly believe our o-line on September 11th against Denver will be:

LT: Vernon Carey
LG: Jeno James
C: Rex Hadnot
RG: Frank Middleton
RT: Stockar McDougle
That is the exact same starting line I see. Other then Middleton, that is an O-Line for many years.
 
DolphinDevil28 said:
Nice job.

I looked at the tape too and realized that people on this board where crazy for saying Carey did not do well Monday night.

Another observation about the oline I saw.

Frank Middleton. Wow. He needs to start, like now.

I firmly believe our o-line on September 11th against Denver will be:

LT: Vernon Carey
LG: Jeno James
C: Rex Hadnot
RG: Frank Middleton
RT: Stockar McDougle

Isn't it amazing how quickly people are to criticize for no real reason. People need a scapegoat, and since Carey caught so much flack last year and was built up in the preseason, he was the natural choice. And that starting line is so much better than last year it makes me salivate. Not to mention, we have one of the best OL coaches in the league.
 
DolfanNJ said:
Isn't it amazing how quickly people are to criticize for no real reason. People need a scapegoat, and since Carey caught so much flack last year and was built up in the preseason, he was the natural choice. And that starting line is so much better than last year it makes me salivate. Not to mention, we have one of the best OL coaches in the league.

:yes:
 
I agree with your analysis. I thought Carey did well but the guy who I loved was Anthony Alabi. I watched the tape three times and loved him even more each time. For his first game, and not playing a huge amount, he did all he was required to do almost effortlessly. I see him possibly challenging Carey for the LT spot in a few years if he keeps that up.

As for our O. Line come Sept. 11....I just hope McDougle shows a lot more than he did vs the Bears. He's our most talented lineman at the moment but he played horribly. Middleton was sub par too.

I agree with that starting line-up, however I'm not in love with Jeno James at the moment.
 
HysterikiLL said:
I agree with your analysis. I thought Carey did well but the guy who I loved was Anthony Alabi. I watched the tape three times and loved him even more each time. For his first game, and not playing a huge amount, he did all he was required to do almost effortlessly. I see him possibly challenging Carey for the LT spot in a few years if he keeps that up.

As for our O. Line come Sept. 11....I just hope McDougle shows a lot more than he did vs the Bears. He's our most talented lineman at the moment but he played horribly. Middleton was sub par too.

I agree with that starting line-up, however I'm not in love with Jeno James at the moment.

I agree that Jeno needs to pick it up, but you think Middleton was sub par?

I thought he showed a lot of power, which is exactly what you want from your right guard.
 
I'm definitely worried about Jeno James health and his play on the field. He could be our weakest link.
 
jeno was our probably our best lineman last year.....(thats not saying much i know) but give him another two weeks to get fully over his sickness and to get his head right
 
No,no,no, Carey is a bust remember? Don't you read Finheaven? That guy's a bust. I don't need no stinkin' game tape, when I can read right here that a rookie OL under the genius leadership of Wanny can't crack the starting lineup - is a bust. I trust the judgement of the members here about him being a bust more than any preseason game tape. Sheesh.
 
I'm sorry parrot

I just had to......

Truly, it's not a good sign that Carey is your best OL right now . Clearly, Jeno James would be if he wasn't battling heat problems
 
Clumpy said:
I'm sorry parrot

I just had to......

Truly, it's not a good sign that Carey is your best OL right now . Clearly, Jeno James would be if he wasn't battling heat problems

Do you realize that we have two former 1st round picks at bookend tackles?

Do you realize that our two guards were on Superbowl teams and were key run blockers?

Do you realize our center is a 6th round steal?

We were not SCHEMING Monday night. It was very vanilla. We've had all kinds of movement in the o-line in camp. These guys have to gell.


Hell, what are you laughing at? The Bills starting left tackle is MIKE GANDY! :roflmao:
 
DolphinDevil28 said:
Do you realize that we have two former 1st round picks at bookend tackles?

Do you realize that our two guards were on Superbowl teams and were key run blockers?

Do you realize our center is a 6th round steal?

We were not SCHEMING Monday night. It was very vanilla. We've had all kinds of movement in the o-line in camp. These guys have to gell.


Hell, what are you laughing at? The Bills starting left tackle is MIKE GANDY! :roflmao:


Your post is :rofl3:

6th rd steal that has done what in the NFL? Let's see him play a few more games before you annoint him as a steal.

I'll match up Bennie Anderson/ChrisVillarrial against Jeno James/John St Clair ANY TIME.

I'll match up Mike Williams/Mike Gandy vs any tandem y'all can scrap together at T

I'll take Teague at C over anyone y'all have.

Right now, no OL on your roster would be a starter in Buffalo, only depth and that includes Jeno James
 
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