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They REALLY hate our draft keep in mind, these are different scouts with differing opinions.

2025 NFL Draft grades: The Browns and Giants aced the test.
Our grades are a composite score of player value, positional value and trade value.
Austin Mock hands out team grades for the 2025 NFL Draft. His methodology takes into account more than just the player and landing spot. Mock aims to account for the value gained and lost in trades, the value of drafting certain positions over others and more.

Browns A+
Giants A+
Titans A
Panthers A
Falcons A
Packers A-
Buccaneers A-
Cardinals B+
Steelers B
Patriots B
Chiefs B
Bears B-
Cowboys B-
Ravens C+
Commanders C
Eagles C
Seahawks C
Texans C
Colts C-
49ers D+
Bills D
Jets D
Raiders D
Rams D
Bengals D-
Broncos D-
Chargers D-
Vikings D-
Dolphins F
Jaguars F
Saints F
Lions F

Miami Dolphins

Miami only made two selections in the first 142 picks, so again, it isn’t shocking to see the Dolphins down here. And according to the consensus board, they reached for the players they took at Nos. 13 and 37. Now, I think the consensus was criminally low on Kenneth Grant, but the pick that doomed them was “reaching” for interior offensive lineman Jonah Savaiinaea with the 37th pick. Ideally, teams should stay away from reaching for players at non-premium positions.

Opinions were mixed on the Dolphins using the 13th pick for defensive lineman Kenneth Grant before trading up to select guard Jonah Savaiinaea in the second round.

“Kenneth Grant is a big, tough dude who can line up in all the techniques in that Baltimore scheme they have down there. He can hold the line and throw people around,” one exec said. “He went a little early, but they basically said, ‘Eff it, we are going to get a big one.’”

Multiple execs called Grant a less-talented replacement for Christian Wilkins.

“Mason Graham had more splash plays at Michigan, especially in the pass game, but he had some real low points too,” another exec said. “Kenneth Grant just played his game and was consistent. He is not going to be Christian Wilkins, but he is a bigger body who can stand there and eat snaps and play well. I think he would have gone in the top 20 anyway.”

As for Savaiinaea, two execs questioned the decision to trade up for him, with one noting that the Arizona lineman did not impress at the Senior Bowl. But the strongest opinion regarding Savaiinaea was positive.

“He is a starting guard right away who is a really good player and will make them more physical,” this exec said.


Overall draft class was ranked 31st…for comparison NE was number 1, Jets 13 and Bills 22

Favorite pick: Jonah Savaiinaea, OT/G, Arizona

The cost was high, but Miami had to address its trenches with impact players early in the draft. Savaiinaea has experience outside at tackle, but he is a natural guard who should continue moving up the depth chart throughout his rookie season.

Day 3 pick who could surprise: Jordan Phillips, DT, Maryland

Holding just two of the first 142 selections, it was going to be tough for Miami to place high on this list. But the Dolphins added a few intriguing talents on Day 3, including Quinn Ewers, who could become a factor if Tua Tagovailoa misses time. Jason Marshall Jr. and Dante Trader Jr. should be solid depth pieces in the secondary. But Phillips could end up looking like a steal if his consistency catches up with his young talent.

Post draft power ranking

21. Miami Dolphins

First pick: DT Kenneth Grant

The Dolphins clearly had a theme — big men. The three defensive tackles they drafted — Grant, Maryland’s Jordan Phillips and Georgia Tech’s Zeek Biggers — are all 310-plus. The wild-card pick is sixth-round running back Ollie Gordon II, who could end up being a star in this offense if the Dolphins can block anybody. They drafted just one offensive lineman.

Their favorite pick of ours

Miami Dolphins: Jonah Savaiinaea, G, Arizona

Pick: Round 2, No. 37

This was easy. It’s their second-round pick, and it’s not close. For one thing, the Dolphins desperately needed to upgrade their interior offensive line, and he will do that for them. But the reason I really love this pick is because of how cool it is Savaiinaea landed in Miami. Savaiinaea will now be protecting not only a fellow Polynesian in QB Tua Tagovailoa, but someone who went to the same high school (St. Louis High in Honolulu) that he did. “God never makes mistakes,” Savaiinaea said after he was picked. “He wants me to block for my people, so I’m there.” — Jim

Most intriguing UDFA

Miami Dolphins: Jalin Conyers, TE, Texas Tech

A versatile tight end who can play fullback, H-back or whatever else a team needs, Conyers (6-4, 260) was also a big-time basketball prospect at one time and has enough length and bulk to be a potential weapon in Miami’s stretch run game. He showed great effort and bend as a run blocker at the Shrine Bowl.

They also rated the teams with best draft classes from the past 5 years, very surprised where they ranked us

6. Miami Dolphins (8.75)

Top 50 picks: 8
Pro Bowls: 2
Starting seasons: 35
Best pick: WR Jaylen Waddle (No. 6, 2021); Worst pick: CB Noah Igbinoghene (No. 30, 2020); Best value: RB De’Von Achane (No. 84, 2023)

The Dolphins had just 37 total picks from 2020-24, but 15 of them were top-100 selections. And though some of Miami’s best value picks (Jevon Holland, Robert Hunt) left via free agency, the franchise has done a nice job maximizing a somewhat short-handed pick arsenal.

And here's their thoughts on our FA period
Miami Dolphins


Added: $33.5M (17th) | Lost: $34.6M (18th) | Differential: -$1.1M (15th)

Big spenders in the past, the Dolphins handed out only two contracts worth more than $5 million per year, one to former Steelers guard James Daniels ($8 million APY), another to backup quarterback Zach Wilson ($6 million APY).

“It feels like a team that invested in some older players the last couple years and it did not work out for them,” one exec said. “I could see this being the start of a little reset for them.”


Daniels is coming off a torn Achilles tendon suffered in September.

“I like James Daniels — good player — and the Pharaoh Brown signing will be good for them, as he’s become a blocking tight end,” another exec said. “Zach Wilson is a good reclamation project. He is similar to Tua (Tagovailoa) in that the ball comes out quick, he is accurate short — all the things he has not been asked to do yet.”

With left tackle Terron Armstead expected to retire, the focus this season will again be on whether Miami has done enough to bolster its offensive line.

“They just don’t have enough there to warrant that they are going to have a better commitment to the run game and better protection for Tua,” another exec said. “Contrast them with Chicago, which made two trades for starting linemen before free agency. That has not been the Dolphins’ way up front.”
 
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The Athletic has been a joke for years, IMO. I wouldn't let anything from them affect my thinking one way or the other on any subject, not just Dolphin related content.

As to how we handled the draft, meh. We really weren't in a position to approach it in hugely different way. We kind put ourselves in the position of having to address both lines early. They were obvious positions of need. Did we "play it safe" , to the extent any pick is a safe pick, by not swinging for the fences? Maybe so, but sometimes the safe bet is the right bet.
 
The Athletic has been a joke for years, IMO. I wouldn't let anything from them affect my thinking one way or the other on any subject, not just Dolphin related content.

As to how we handled the draft, meh. We really weren't in a position to approach it in hugely different way. We kind put ourselves in the position of having to address both lines early. They were obvious positions of need. Did we "play it safe" , to the extent any pick is a safe pick, by not swinging for the fences? Maybe so, but sometimes the safe bet is the right bet.

Agreed, just trying to give the forum an idea of some of the media takes about our draft, Matt Miller and the Athletic think that we had the worst draft.
 
Agreed, just trying to give the forum an idea of some of the media takes about our draft, Matt Miller and the Athletic think that we had the worst draft.
Oh, I understand. I didn't mean to imply anything about you or the validity of your thread.

I was really just saying I don't think we had much of a choice in the approach.

We didn't need immediate help at edge or WR. The Corners available had warts. The best Oline prospect was gone.
 
There were a lot of guys in the middle part where I thought we could have had a bonanza but we went away from that. I was anticipating more guys added, especially in that zone.

But we needed to get more physical and we did that. Loved Ollie and our undrafted class for the most part. Conyers feels more like an early day three pick. Our scouts identify well on later picks.

It’s just all the mistakes the GM makes in managing the roster and poor cognitive skills in long range planning and strategy. We need a thinker with the next GM. Hopefully soon.
 
Here’s how they rated our 2 major FA pickups

G James Daniels joining Dolphins

Top 150 ranking: No. 55
Reported deal: Three years, $24 million
Grade: B

The 27-year-old Daniels is entering his eighth season and has experience playing all three interior positions. He’s coming off a torn Achilles tendon, but the Dolphins feel good enough to give him a multiyear deal. Daniels surrendered just one sack last season.

QB Zach Wilson headed to Dolphins

Top 150 ranking: Not ranked
Reported deal: One year, $6 million
Grade: B

After failing to dress for a single game during his lone season in Denver, Wilson heads to Miami, where Mike McDaniel helped rehabilitate Tua Tagovailoa’s career and could do the same for the 2021 No. 2 pick. Tagovailoa is firmly entrenched as the Dolphins starting quarterback, but given his injury history, the team wanted to find a quality backup. Wilson’s tenure with the Jets was a disaster, but then again, the same can be said for just about every Jets quarterback the last decade. After learning from Sean Payton, and now with additional tutelage from McDaniel, could Wilson blossom into a quality insurance policy for Tagovailoa?
 
Last year, we underachieved. It was a number of things including a dismal camp where we were unprepared at the start of the year, coupled with the lack of discipline and consistent mistakes that were tolerated even with recidivism. But, despite it all, this would still have been a playoff team with even a hint of realism at the backup quarterback position. That was as dumb as it gets. You have an injury prone, delicate quarterback and you left a situation behind him that couldn’t even perform at the most basic level.

Zach should be able to do that at least and adding Ewers gives you a prospect who at least has some sophistication in playing the position in understanding high leverage football situations.
 
The Athletic has been a joke for years, IMO. I wouldn't let anything from them affect my thinking one way or the other on any subject, not just Dolphin related content.

As to how we handled the draft, meh. We really weren't in a position to approach it in hugely different way. We kind put ourselves in the position of having to address both lines early. They were obvious positions of need. Did we "play it safe" , to the extent any pick is a safe pick, by not swinging for the fences? Maybe so, but sometimes the safe bet is the right bet.
I’ve never subscribed but always wondered about it. I’m not big on national media outlets, sports or otherwise. I get all the info I need on here, podcasts, Ryder/Kyle types, Joe Rose, etc. I get no value from ESPN, CNN, the Stephen A, Colin, PTI dinosaurs, etc. I feel like I get more analysis and knowledge from these other targeted sources. Same thing with finance, geo-politics, news, etc.

Edit. The one national guy I do like is McAfee. He’s a talent. He has too much content but if I get a relevant cut up, I can watch it.
 
Scouts are funny, and always contradict themselves lol. They like Grant but not at 13 but would've been gone by 20. Fins only selected 1 OL but drafted a starter who fits scheme, was the articles favorite pick. Also stated Gordon could be a star, as well as Phillips...but gave the Dolphins an F.....hahaha clowns.
 
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Agreed, just trying to give the forum an idea of some of the media takes about our draft, Matt Miller and the Athletic think that we had the worst draft.
IMO, Both pundits have a NE market to please and will cater to them for their living. While they say both picks were early reaches, they later back up a bit in the evaluation, mixed signals.
 
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