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Here are two Highlight clips of Brady Quinn and John Beck.

Brady Quinn- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJgmeEH1lrE&mode=related&search=

Pros- He is very smart about where to throw the Football (Quickly Diagnosis the Defense and finds the open man) , and rarely makes mistakes. He is very accurate within about 25-30 yards. Is willing to risk his body to pick up a First down on the run. Is ok at throwing on the move.
Cons- His arm strength seems to go in and out, when he throws long balls he seems to "loop" them by throwing really high and letting the ball sail to his recievers(will be affected by the wind and weather a lot), which cornerbacks in the NFL will love. At times he takes too long to throw the ball, while the NFL rule is 3 seconds and move the ball he routinely holds to ball for about 4.5 seconds, which will lead to more sacks. Really just throws the ball up and lets the reciever make the play on the ball as opposesed to throwing the ball right to the Receiver. At times his ball seems to move very slow. And lastly, that leg kick he does after each throw increases his chance for being injured in the NFL by a LB or DE coming around the end.Sometimes locks his vision on one WR.

John Beck- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NCgH6sTEeP8&mode=related&search=

Pros- He probably has the most awareness of any of the QB's in this years draft, and shows it by time and time again Anticipating where the Wide reciever will be and throwing before the WR makes his cut, or curl, etc. He is also really good at looking off the Safety. Constantly scans the field and finds the open reciever. Extremely tough and will sacrifice his body to make a pass or pick up a first down with his feet. Has some moves with his feet and will be a decent scrambler. EXTREMELY good at droping the ball in over the cornerbacks shoulder and hitting the Reciever in stride (you rarely see a WR slow down to catch a ball as opposed to Quinn). Good at getting more time in the pocket and a pretty good pump fake. Good at making decisons on the fly (ex. the clip where he tosses the ball to the HB as he's being tackled). Also has great arm strength (heres a clip of him throwing a 70 yard bomb thats right on target with his reciever http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dHBy7uIV_iE&mode=related&search=)a gym rat.
Cons-I have only seen two cons in his game and neither can he control. First off is the level of competition he faced. They might have been sub-par but he also played really well against Utah and even won the game for his team. Also the biggest concern I have is his age he will be 26 when the season starts, because he went on a 3 year monrmon mission. However, after a lot of thought this isn't really a big deal we will just have to get a new QB in 10 years as opposed to 14 years.

Heres more Beck analysis by Steve Young and other commentators at the draft http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MflFK7Q0o9E&mode=related&search=

FEEL FREE TO ADD YOUR OWN THOUGHTS...
 
good job

he looks like a playmaker, i love his accuracy when hes on the move. reminds me of a white mcnabb
 
IMO Brady Quinn is the better QB. Doesn't mean that Beck will not be a good QB, just that Quinn will be better. Only time will tell.
 
phishinphin said:
IMO Brady Quinn is the better QB. Doesn't mean that Beck will not be a good QB, just that Quinn will be better. Only time will tell.
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Sorry But i NEED to disagree with you. I think Beck will be better then Quinn for many reasons including he has a better skill set.
 
how can 26, which he turns in August, be a con? This is a great maturity level that Quinn did not have. He is settled in his life, and he wants to succeed!! I feel this maturity is what will help him to learn and succeed in cam's system!!
 
phishinphin said:
IMO Brady Quinn is the better QB. Doesn't mean that Beck will not be a good QB, just that Quinn will be better. Only time will tell.
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Common, are you kidding me? Brady was the sexier pick, not the better pick. Every analyst that knows the game has said that Beck has more skills than Quinn, with the biggest being accuracy, something you cannot teach, but if you have it, you can get better!!! Please dont let the golden domers mystique blind the obvious flaws of brady!!!
 
Brady:
if you have WR's who are 6-2 and 6-5 and not particularly fast, why wouldn't you sail the ball and let them catch it over the DB? that was the Notre Dame situation last year. on intermediate throws (which comprise the majority of Chaz's offense), Quinn has good velocity and gets the ball into tight spaces (see the PSU and Michigan games)... his ability to throw on the move looks a lot better in the highlight reel than it is in reality, though he is 10x better rolling to his throwing side.

his strength allows him to shrug off some arm tackles in the pocket, and his adequate wheels can pick up first downs. not Mike Vick, but not Marino or Manning either.

Beck:
Beck's shorter receivers work well with the "overthrow" style of passing. just put it out there and let your guy run to it. and it works very well. But I'm not sure it translates well from MWC-level competition to the NFL. A guy like Randy Moss can make it work because he's tall, fast and has huge vertical. the NFL offense is built off of timing routes.

from what I saw in the few games I've seen him (1.5 ND games and against Air Force), Beck is a good QB surrounded by mediocre talent. Whether it's his fault or the rest of the team's fault that they can't beat strong teams is up for debate...

I have some worries about Beck: he's had several injuries over the years, a shoulder injury and the ankle problems. Also, while people seem to be OK with the mission trip because he wasn't "getting beat up playing football", look what happens to guys when they take ONE year off, they take huge steps back. most NFL QB's play football year-round from the time they're 13 until 21-22... I wonder if his growth was stunted before he entered BYU, and is just now starting to get back into the groove.
 
dolfan121 said:
how can 26, which he turns in August, be a con? This is a great maturity level that Quinn did not have. He is settled in his life, and he wants to succeed!! I feel this maturity is what will help him to learn and succeed in cam's system!!
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26 years old is a con because most QBs come into the league at 21, 22, or 23. When you come in at age 26 it means that your career isn't going to last as long as the younger people because your older.

Lets say Beck 1 is 26 and Beck 2 is 22, lets say they are the same player just different ages. Lets say they both retire at age 38.

Beck 1's career would have lasted 12 years, while Beck 2's would have lasted 16 years. So if you draft the younger guy you would get 4 more years of solid QB play.
 
PublixSubsRule said:
26 years old is a con because most QBs come into the league at 21, 22, or 23. When you come in at age 26 it means that your career isn't going to last as long as the younger people because your older.

Lets say Beck 1 is 26 and Beck 2 is 22, lets say they are the same player just different ages. Lets say they both retire at age 38.

Beck 1's career would have lasted 12 years, while Beck 2's would have lasted 16 years. So if you draft the younger guy you would get 4 more years of solid QB play.
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In the last 5 or so years I haven't seen a single year of SOLID QB playing, so if you give me 12, I'll gladly take them, seems like plenty of time to plant another franchise QB, while we enjoy seeing the Dolphins as a great and strong team...
 
PublixSubsRule said:
Here are two Highlight clips of Brady Quinn and John Beck.

Brady Quinn- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJgmeEH1lrE&mode=related&search=

Pros- He is very smart about where to throw the Football (Quickly Diagnosis the Defense and finds the open man) , and rarely makes mistakes. He is very accurate within about 25-30 yards. Is willing to risk his body to pick up a First down on the run. Is ok at throwing on the move.
Cons- His arm strength seems to go in and out, when he throws long balls he seems to "loop" them by throwing really high and letting the ball sail to his recievers(will be affected by the wind and weather a lot), which cornerbacks in the NFL will love. At times he takes too long to throw the ball, while the NFL rule is 3 seconds and move the ball he routinely holds to ball for about 4.5 seconds, which will lead to more sacks. Really just throws the ball up and lets the reciever make the play on the ball as opposesed to throwing the ball right to the Receiver. At times his ball seems to move very slow. And lastly, that leg kick he does after each throw increases his chance for being injured in the NFL by a LB or DE coming around the end.Sometimes locks his vision on one WR.

John Beck- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NCgH6sTEeP8&mode=related&search=

Pros- He probably has the most awareness of any of the QB's in this years draft, and shows it by time and time again Anticipating where the Wide reciever will be and throwing before the WR makes his cut, or curl, etc. He is also really good at looking off the Safety. Constantly scans the field and finds the open reciever. Extremely tough and will sacrifice his body to make a pass or pick up a first down with his feet. Has some moves with his feet and will be a decent scrambler. EXTREMELY good at droping the ball in over the cornerbacks shoulder and hitting the Reciever in stride (you rarely see a WR slow down to catch a ball as opposed to Quinn). Good at getting more time in the pocket and a pretty good pump fake. Good at making decisons on the fly (ex. the clip where he tosses the ball to the HB as he's being tackled). Also has great arm strength (heres a clip of him throwing a 70 yard bomb thats right on target with his reciever http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dHBy7uIV_iE&mode=related&search=)a gym rat.
Cons-I have only seen two cons in his game and neither can he control. First off is the level of competition he faced. They might have been sub-par but he also played really well against Utah and even won the game for his team. Also the biggest concern I have is his age he will be 26 when the season starts, because he went on a 3 year monrmon mission. However, after a lot of thought this isn't really a big deal we will just have to get a new QB in 10 years as opposed to 14 years.

Heres more Beck analysis by Steve Young and other commentators at the draft http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MflFK7Q0o9E&mode=related&search=

FEEL FREE TO ADD YOUR OWN THOUGHTS...
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Call me crazy, but I did not see Quinn throwing deep "BOMBS", both were very accurate and threw excellent short passes and "BULLETS", but I saw Beck throwing excellent deep passes (bombs), while I didn't see Quinn droping a SINGLE one.
 
postermaster said:
Call me crazy, but I did not see Quinn throwing deep "BOMBS", both were very accurate and threw excellent short passes and "BULLETS", but I saw Beck throwing excellent deep passes (bombs), while I didn't see Quinn droping a SINGLE one.
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I dont think Quinn was ever thought of as a Deep passer like Beck. One thing for sure is that Beck has thrown the ball 70 yards and it was recorded on TV.
 
lol at people trying to attack qb years logic of 12 and 16... How many qb's are around that last 16 years as a starter? Really... only 4 or so come to mind in the past 30 years. lol... people really try to dig deep for points sometimes.

I personaly think we should stop all technology research and put it all towards a giant exodus from Earth. We should move to another solar system with a sun that will last 26 billion years as opposed to ours lasting only 20.
 
PublixSubsRule said:
Sorry But i NEED to disagree with you. I think Beck will be better then Quinn for many reasons including he has a better skill set.
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Well id Beck is better than Quinn than why in the heck did philly take cobb and detroit trade out of the 33 pick to take stanton. BTW, Cleveland traded up to get Quinn.

Quin biggest asset is the fact that he had Weiss from ND to tutor him. Quinn basically knows what to expect from the pro's thank to charlie. If Weiss has been out of the league for 20 years i would think otherwise but the fact is that Weiss is only been out for a couple of years and he knows what it takes for a qb to make it to the pros. I think Quinn will be solid is the league. Actually if cam wantyed a smart QB than Quin should have been the pick. It's a known fact that weiss has publicly stated that he prefers smart qb's in his sytem which Quinn possesess.

I could be wrong about Quinn but I would have preferred Miami take Quinn and select a DB. I like Ginn but you dont spend a #9 on a #2-3 WR/ PR. If any of you watched the interviews I wouldnt be too happy to see Cam say we drafted a good PR.

I guess we have to wait and see what happens from Beck, Quinn and Ginn. They all will be tied together.
 
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