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Few things...

Cam is nervous answering those questions in front of the media... I think he's getting a lot of pressure put on him, and it's coming from Cecil.

The few minutes of that workout I saw wasn't quite "phenomenal", he was missing high on those short/medium range crossing routes to the middle of the field, causing the receiver to have to leave his feet,.. which is what shows up on film.

You can expect a guy to be high with those throws when he's thinking about his footwork and trying to get that refined taking snaps from under center... something he hasn't done.

The accuracy down the field is what's phenomenal... which is also what shows up on film.


The bungy-cord drill is one we used to do for quarterbacks at passing camps in the early 90's to help them speed up their drops, and remain disciplined inside the pocket... it's a lost art that went out of style as the invasion of the spread began to infiltrate high school football..

Trent Dilfer wanted to see him hit the "honey holes" against a Cover-2 defense to both sidelines while also holding the "safety" with his eyes... it's much more difficult for a right handed QB to do throwing to his left... I'd say Cam executed both of those throws extremely well.


I hope this kid goes on to do well, no matter where he goes... and I hope Cecil realizes soon that this is his son and always will be, whether he succeeds or fails.
 
I like Trent Dilfer's comments, most especially: "He is extremely refined for such a puppy, tells me that his ceiling is astronomically high" and "only a few people on the planet can throw a football like that"
 
TedSlimmJr said:
Few things...

Cam is nervous answering those questions in front of the media... I think he's getting a lot of pressure put on him, and it's coming from Cecil.

The few minutes of that workout I saw wasn't quite "phenomenal", he was missing high on those short/medium range crossing routes to the middle of the field, causing the receiver to have to leave his feet,.. which is what shows up on film.

You can expect a guy to be high with those throws when he's thinking about his footwork and trying to get that refined taking snaps from under center... something he hasn't done.

The accuracy down the field is what's phenomenal... which is also what shows up on film.


The bungy-cord drill is one we used to do for quarterbacks at passing camps in the early 90's to help them speed up their drops, and remain disciplined inside the pocket... it's a lost art that went out of style as the invasion of the spread began to infiltrate high school football..

Trent Dilfer wanted to see him hit the "honey holes" against a Cover-2 defense to both sidelines while also holding the "safety" with his eyes... it's much more difficult for a right handed QB to do throwing to his left... I'd say Cam executed both of those throws extremely well.


I hope this kid goes on to do well, no matter where he goes... and I hope Cecil realizes soon that this is his son and always will be, whether he succeeds or fails.
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While I was impressed with some of his throws like the fade and honey throw in cover 2, I am not overly impressed or think this was anyone near a phenomenal working in the small sample we got. Yeah, its a known fact Newton has a pretty deep ball and is very accurate with it. But everything else...

Why are the wideouts leaving their feet or turning in mid-air to catch a pass behind them? I understand Newton is learning the nuances of drop-back again but the man did it in HS and somewhat in Blinn, you don't just completely forget how to fire on a drop-back.

Honestly I have seen other QBs have better throwing sessions in sessions like this outside of the fade route which Newton is a beast at. Most recently was when I was at the Elite 11 and Chase Daniels and Chad Henne did this just as well if not better.

Even VJ Evans, the son of USC and Raiders QB Vince Evans who I played with and was my QB in HS threw flinged the rock around like Newton, even with a similar deep ball. Evans son was 6'5 230 and ran a 4.4 and had an absolute rocket for an ARM. He had an NFL arm in 9th grade. He broke 3 of our WRs fingers in the 1st week of practice. We had LSU/USC/CAL/UCLA scouts at our games scouting him. He went to all these combines. In similar workouts scouts were salivating over him. But then the real pads came on and complex defensive coverages and he faltered. The point is that these workouts without pads or a live defense or whatever is meant to take with little value at best. It goes both ways. Newton didn't get to showcase his legs or elusiveness with the drills and if he becomes a "player" in gametime nor did he show the ability to be deadly accurate or even above-average accurate on passes other than the deep ball.
 
First off I give Cam Newton a lot of credit for holding this workout. Not a lot of guys who have something to lose are willing to take the chance that he did today. That being said, he made one perfect deep throw. On all of those crossing routes the ball was wither high or behind. I don't know what Dilfer was looking at. I guess that the throws that weren't in that video were very impressive because I don't see what Dilfer was so excited about.
 
not much i can take from that small sample...although for what i could see the drops looked pretty good and his feet looked under him pretty good...overall it was nice to see him take some pro drops and deliver the ball...i'm sure he was concentrating on his footwork in his drop an awful lot so the slightly behind stuff at this point doesn't bother me...i do agree with slimm that on crossing routes the ball tends to come in high on tape...
 
RobertHorry said:
While I was impressed with some of his throws like the fade and honey throw in cover 2, I am not overly impressed or think this was anyone near a phenomenal working in the small sample we got. Yeah, its a known fact Newton has a pretty deep ball and is very accurate with it. But everything else...

Why are the wideouts leaving their feet or turning in mid-air to catch a pass behind them? I understand Newton is learning the nuances of drop-back again but the man did it in HS and somewhat in Blinn, you don't just completely forget how to fire on a drop-back.

Honestly I have seen other QBs have better throwing sessions in sessions like this outside of the fade route which Newton is a beast at. Most recently was when I was at the Elite 11 and Chase Daniels and Chad Henne did this just as well if not better.

Even VJ Evans, the son of USC and Raiders QB Vince Evans who I played with and was my QB in HS threw flinged the rock around like Newton, even with a similar deep ball. Evans son was 6'5 230 and ran a 4.4 and had an absolute rocket for an ARM. He had an NFL arm in 9th grade. He broke 3 of our WRs fingers in the 1st week of practice. We had LSU/USC/CAL/UCLA scouts at our games scouting him. He went to all these combines. In similar workouts scouts were salivating over him. But then the real pads came on and complex defensive coverages and he faltered. The point is that these workouts without pads or a live defense or whatever is meant to take with little value at best. It goes both ways. Newton didn't get to showcase his legs or elusiveness with the drills and if he becomes a "player" in gametime nor did he show the ability to be deadly accurate or even above-average accurate on passes other than the deep ball.
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Exactly... first of all, Cecil Newton accomplished exactly what he set out to do... which was get the Cam Newton hype train going. Get the words "phenomenal" and "great" and "wow", etc. stirring around in the MEDIA..

As far as NFL scouts, or the people making the decisions in the NFL is concerned, this "workout" didn't even happen. It was just a publicity stunt to put the image out there that Cam Newton is a "hard worker", in an attempt to rectify his past.

Every single quarterback in this draft is busy working hard with QB guru's all across the country, and working hard in preparation for the NFL combine... but they're not out there performing publicity stunts in front of the media.

Cam Newton didn't have anything to lose by doing this... the only thing he could POSSIBLY do is improve his "image"...

Any talk of this being "ballsy" or "taking a chance" is complete nonsense...

Anything that Cam Newton does that doesn't involve cheating, stolen property, or accepting money in exchange for the right to merely be in his presence can only help him in the court of public opinion... although Cecil charging the media $100 a head to attend this "workout" doesn't help that last part...
 
TedSlimmJr said:
Exactly... first of all, Cecil Newton accomplished exactly what he set out to do... which was get the Cam Newton hype train going. Get the words "phenomenal" and "great" and "wow", etc. stirring around in the MEDIA..

As far as NFL scouts, or the people making the decisions in the NFL is concerned, this "workout" didn't even happen. It was just a publicity stunt to put the image out there that Cam Newton is a "hard worker", in an attempt to rectify his past.

Every single quarterback in this draft is busy working hard with QB guru's all across the country, and working hard in preperation for the NFL combine... but they're not out there performing publicity stunts in front of the media.

Cam Newton didn't have anything to lose by doing this... the only thing he could POSSIBLY do is improve his "image"...

Any talk of this being "ballsy" or "taking a chance" is complete nonsense...

Anything that Cam Newton does that doesn't involve cheating, stolen property, or accepting money in exchange for the right to merely be in his presence can only help him in the court of public opinion... although Cecil charging the media $100 a head to attend this "workout" doesn't help that last part...
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did he really??? wow...yeah i think his pops is gonna be a problem
 
TedSlimmJr said:
Few things...

Cam is nervous answering those questions in front of the media... I think he's getting a lot of pressure put on him, and it's coming from Cecil.

The few minutes of that workout I saw wasn't quite "phenomenal", he was missing high on those short/medium range crossing routes to the middle of the field, causing the receiver to have to leave his feet,.. which is what shows up on film.

You can expect a guy to be high with those throws when he's thinking about his footwork and trying to get that refined taking snaps from under center... something he hasn't done.

The accuracy down the field is what's phenomenal... which is also what shows up on film.


The bungy-cord drill is one we used to do for quarterbacks at passing camps in the early 90's to help them speed up their drops, and remain disciplined inside the pocket... it's a lost art that went out of style as the invasion of the spread began to infiltrate high school football..

Trent Dilfer wanted to see him hit the "honey holes" against a Cover-2 defense to both sidelines while also holding the "safety" with his eyes... it's much more difficult for a right handed QB to do throwing to his left... I'd say Cam executed both of those throws extremely well.


I hope this kid goes on to do well, no matter where he goes... and I hope Cecil realizes soon that this is his son and always will be, whether he succeeds or fails.
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Watching that video, the phrase 'circle jerk' comes to mind.

It was what it was. It was a decent workout. That's not a setting where anyone can look "phenomenal" no matter what they do, it's just not that setting. And I like how basically Trent Dilfer and Bucky Brooks were the only ones that showed up. Maybe some local media did.

It was a nice idea that got blown out of proportion as things tend to do this time of year.
 
TedSlimmJr said:
Exactly... first of all, Cecil Newton accomplished exactly what he set out to do... which was get the Cam Newton hype train going. Get the words "phenomenal" and "great" and "wow", etc. stirring around in the MEDIA..

As far as NFL scouts, or the people making the decisions in the NFL is concerned, this "workout" didn't even happen. It was just a publicity stunt to put the image out there that Cam Newton is a "hard worker", in an attempt to rectify his past.

Every single quarterback in this draft is busy working hard with QB guru's all across the country, and working hard in preperation for the NFL combine... but they're not out there performing publicity stunts in front of the media.

Cam Newton didn't have anything to lose by doing this... the only thing he could POSSIBLY do is improve his "image"...

Any talk of this being "ballsy" or "taking a chance" is complete nonsense...

Anything that Cam Newton does that doesn't involve cheating, stolen property, or accepting money in exchange for the right to merely be in his presence can only help him in the court of public opinion... although Cecil charging the media $100 a head to attend this "workout" doesn't help that last part...
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I think he absolutely took a chance. He could have gone out there and missed those throws, looked bad in his drops, but he didn't. Meanwhile he's got people like you and others getting down on him for this "publicity stunt", casting it in a negative light more than positive...so yeah, he absolutely took a chance. He took a chance that what would come out of this was more positive than negative. He took a chance that the people that watched him would come away saying "phenomenal" rather than "pretty good...has a ways to go..." at which point he'd have done himself an overall disservice because there would be all negative stigma associated with the event, and no positive.
 
ckparrothead said:
I think he absolutely took a chance. He could have gone out there and missed those throws, looked bad in his drops, but he didn't. Meanwhile he's got people like you and others getting down on him for this "publicity stunt", casting it in a negative light more than positive...so yeah, he absolutely took a chance. He took a chance that what would come out of this was more positive than negative. He took a chance that the people that watched him would come away saying "phenomenal" rather than "pretty good...has a ways to go..." at which point he'd have done himself an overall disservice because there would be all negative stigma associated with the event, and no positive.
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Good grief CK... I'm calling it what it is.. a publicity stunt.

He's not working any harder than any of the other quarterbacks who are at facilities all across the country preparing for the NFL combine.

If the media came away saying "pretty good, has a ways to go".. etc.. Cam Newton hasn't LOST anything in terms of his perceived draft stock.

If you think any GM in the league moved Cam Newton up or down their draft board based on what happened today, you're out to lunch my friend...

The only thing Cam Newton could gain or lose here was HYPE... period.


..and Cecil scamming another way to get his pockets lined with a few more bennys..
 
TedSlimmJr said:
Good grief CK... I'm calling it what it is.. a publicity stunt.

He's not working any harder than any of the other quarterbacks who are at facilities all across the country preparing for the NFL combine.

If the media came away saying "pretty good, has a ways to go".. etc.. Cam Newton hasn't LOST anything in terms of his perceived draft stock.

If you think any GM in the league moved Cam Newton up or down their draft board based on what happened today, you're out to lunch my friend...

The only thing Cam Newton could gain or lose here was HYPE... period.


..and Cecil scamming a way to get his pockets lined with a few more bennys..
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lol CK I usually always agree with you...but the length you to defend Newton is pretty surprising...
 
TedSlimmJr said:
Good grief CK... I'm calling it what it is.. a publicity stunt.

He's not working any harder than any of the other quarterbacks who are at facilities all across the country preparing for the NFL combine.

If the media came away saying "pretty good, has a ways to go".. etc.. Cam Newton hasn't LOST anything in terms of his perceived draft stock.

If you think any GM in the league moved Cam Newton up or down their draft board based on what happened today, you're out to lunch my friend...

The only thing Cam Newton could gain or lose here was HYPE... period.


..and Cecil scamming another way to get his pockets lined with a few more bennys..
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You don't get what I'm saying. No I don't believe people are moving him up or down their boards on talent because of this workout. I'm saying there are a lot of media, a lot of scouts, and a lot of fans that think EXACTLY AS YOU DO, that this is a media stunt and not necessarily one that reflects well on Newton or his prospects of handling being a pro...like a pro. That's what I'm saying. The moment this thing got scheduled, people around the country, like you, started calling Team Newton to the carpet for this whole deal, slipping in jabs, etc. I'm not saying it's unjustified for you to do that. I'm saying it's a gamble. The gamble is that at the end of all this, the GOOD that comes out of this, outweighs all of those negatives that people are slipping in there.

Tell me the truth. You consider this whole deal yet more evidence that Cecil Newton will be a problem for Cam Newton at the next level, don't you? I mean you were already convinced of it, but would this or would this not be an example that you cite to illustrate your belief in that?
 
absolutely CK, cecil is going to be a major problem and as we are getting closer to the draft its becoming more evident. Especially after today. I dont feelt bad for Cam Newton, I feel bad for the agents and NFL teams that will have to deal with this kids father. he seems to be cam's biggest flaw.
 
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