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Every report I've read keeps saying that they're aiming for Ginn to be 100% healthy by taining camp, which is around July 20-something, correct? Well, on Sports Center (you can also see the video on ESPN.com's NFL section), the reporter in Davie said that Ginn expects to be 100% healthy by our next minicamp in June - which is I believe the 8th.

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KiNG said:
Every report I've read keeps saying that they're aiming for Ginn to be 100% healthy by taining camp, which is around July 20-something, correct? Well, on Sports Center (you can also see the video on ESPN.com's NFL section), the reporter in Davie said that Ginn expects to be 100% healthy by our next minicamp in June - which is I believe the 8th.

What did I miss?
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He is going to be in a boot, it will be in july/early august he will be close to 100%. Think about it, who on the ESPN crew even knows what they are talkin about to begin with? I respect Jaws in the football department, thats it. And I know he didnt report this. I have also been reading pesimistic articles about big time players getting this injury in the NFL and missing the rest of the NFL season. Problem is most of these players were hurt in Dec and missed only a handful of games and were back the next season. As far as I know that is the case for any severe sprain. If you think about it when was he hurt? Thats right just about the amount of time where he would have missed a handful of games. He ran a 4.4 on it like a month ago and now he is going to wear a boot? Um 4.2 when healthy anyone? He will be held out longer than most teams would, but I agree with this decision, this guys legs is his career so let them get to 100%. So don't freak out if they baby him. I can promise you a lot of people on this board will when they see him not doing anything in june or early july and he is in a boot. Mark my words. And the crap talking will begin anew. Then he will return kicks and punts like no one this team has ever had come the season and everyone will love and praise cam and randy like they are gods and like they never said anything bad about them before. I was hoping we wouldnt draft quinn even if he fell to us (look it up if you like) and we picked ginn and I love the pick even now that he is wearing a boot. I will not be feaking out in a month or two when eveyone else will be and I will be screaming take it to the house on the opening kick off of the NFL season when he is lined up to receive it just like everyone else will be.
 
umpalu said:
He is going to be in a boot, it will be in july/early august he will be close to 100%. Think about it, who on the ESPN crew even knows what they are talkin about to begin with? I respect Jaws in the football department, thats it. And I know he didnt report this. I have also been reading pesimistic articles about big time players getting this injury in the NFL and missing the rest of the NFL season. Problem is most of these players were hurt in Dec and missed only a handful of games and were back the next season. As far as I know that is the case for any severe sprain. If you think about it when was he hurt? Thats right just about the amount of time where he would have missed a handful of games. He ran a 4.4 on it like a month ago and now he is going to wear a boot? Um 4.2 when healthy anyone? He will be held out longer than most teams would, but I agree with this decision, this guys legs is his career so let them get to 100%. So don't freak out if they baby him. I can promise you a lot of people on this board will when they see him not doing anything in june or early july and he is in a boot. Mark my words. And the crap talking will begin anew. Then he will return kicks and punts like no one this team has ever had come the season and everyone will love and praise cam and randy like they are gods and like they never said anything bad about them before. I was hoping we wouldnt draft quinn even if he fell to us (look it up if you like) and we picked ginn and I love the pick even now that he is wearing a boot. I will not be feaking out in a month or two when eveyone else will be and I will be screaming take it to the house on the opening kick off of the NFL season when he is lined up to receive it just like everyone else will be.
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This is what every one will be saying based on his highlight reels. But I am going to knock this overexertion down every time I see it because we may have something more here than what people in this management are leading us to believe. The injury is said to be a limsfranc (i think thats what it is called) with a possible bone break. Then we see him without the boot yesterday. So what is really going on here?

I dont think anyone really knows except insiders.

But back to the football end of it. The NFL is not college. It is a long season of 17+ weeks. The Bill Belichicks of the world are not going to kick to this guy. Everybody on this board has gotten themselves all worked up over the same replayed highlight reel time and time again without any real understanding of what the NFL will be like for the already injured Ginn.

They will simply kick away from him or kick short and high so that they can get down field to nail his ***. Thats it! So everyone is going to be looking for these great plays (and of course there will be some), but most of the time we will see nothing, because they will just seek to take him out of his game in other ways. They wont mind kicking short or to the sideline because the other can bring bad results.

Then there is the week to week drag down endurance battle of the 17 week season and this guy wont even be ready except to run an end around or a slant/go pattern. Then the possibility that he gets hurt or reagravates an injury that is being kept in the dark for obvious reasons.


Get ready people for letdown. I am not sitting here trying to be a doom and gloomer, but people are setting themselves up for another major disappointment by making this guy all world with a boot on his foot.
 
finfan54 said:
This is what every one will be saying based on his highlight reels. But I am going to knock this overexertion down every time I see it because we may have something more here than what people in this management are leading us to believe. The injury is said to be a limsfranc (i think thats what it is called) with a possible bone break. Then we see him without the boot yesterday. So what is really going on here?

I dont think anyone really knows except insiders.

But back to the football end of it. The NFL is not college. It is a long season of 17+ weeks. The Bill Belichicks of the world are not going to kick to this guy. Everybody on this board has gotten themselves all worked up over the same replayed highlight reel time and time again without any real understanding of what the NFL will be like for the already injured Ginn.

They will simply kick away from him or kick short and high so that they can get down field to nail his ***. Thats it! So everyone is going to be looking for these great plays (and of course there will be some), but most of the time we will see nothing, because they will just seek to take him out of his game in other ways. They wont mind kicking short or to the sideline because the other can bring bad results.

Then there is the week to week drag down endurance battle of the 17 week season and this guy wont even be ready except to run an end around or a slant/go pattern. Then the possibility that he gets hurt or reagravates an injury that is being kept in the dark for obvious reasons.


Get ready people for letdown. I am not sitting here trying to be a doom and gloomer, but people are setting themselves up for another major disappointment by making this guy all world with a boot on his foot.
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I agree
 
KiNG said:
Every report I've read keeps saying that they're aiming for Ginn to be 100% healthy by taining camp, which is around July 20-something, correct? Well, on Sports Center (you can also see the video on ESPN.com's NFL section), the reporter in Davie said that Ginn expects to be 100% healthy by our next minicamp in June - which is I believe the 8th.


What did I miss?
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There's really know way to know .. Haven't we learned about this sort of thing through the Culpepper fiasco last year ?
 
finfan54 said:
Get ready people for letdown. I am not sitting here trying to be a doom and gloomer, but people are setting themselves up for another major disappointment by making this guy all world with a boot on his foot.
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While I am a huge Ginn and Beck fan, people are getting alittle too carried away about them. However, you are a doom and gloomer. Not a single positive Ginn thread goes by without you trying to tear it down.
 
You guys know exactly, without any doubts, specifically, what you can do with your sour grapes. Ginn will win, and so will the Dolphins.
 
finfan54 said:
This is what every one will be saying based on his highlight reels. But I am going to knock this overexertion down every time I see it because we may have something more here than what people in this management are leading us to believe. The injury is said to be a limsfranc (i think thats what it is called) with a possible bone break. Then we see him without the boot yesterday. So what is really going on here?

I dont think anyone really knows except insiders.

But back to the football end of it. The NFL is not college. It is a long season of 17+ weeks. The Bill Belichicks of the world are not going to kick to this guy. Everybody on this board has gotten themselves all worked up over the same replayed highlight reel time and time again without any real understanding of what the NFL will be like for the already injured Ginn.

They will simply kick away from him or kick short and high so that they can get down field to nail his ***. Thats it! So everyone is going to be looking for these great plays (and of course there will be some), but most of the time we will see nothing, because they will just seek to take him out of his game in other ways. They wont mind kicking short or to the sideline because the other can bring bad results.

Then there is the week to week drag down endurance battle of the 17 week season and this guy wont even be ready except to run an end around or a slant/go pattern. Then the possibility that he gets hurt or reagravates an injury that is being kept in the dark for obvious reasons.


Get ready people for letdown. I am not sitting here trying to be a doom and gloomer, but people are setting themselves up for another major disappointment by making this guy all world with a boot on his foot.
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54, man it's not that bad. Even if it is a lisfranc tear rather than a sprain, the fact that he can already run straight ahead (as evidenced by his 4.38, 4.44,and 4.45 times in his private workout in April), tells you that he on track to be ready by TC. As someone else mentioned, due to his class graduation, he can't participate in the camps anyway. At any rate, most people with this type of injury come back in about 6 months. While there are exceptions, Ty Law, even at 33 yrs old came back from a lisfranc tear (not sprain) to have arguably one of his best seasons with the Jests...One other thing, the boot treatment (immobilization) would be the same for either a tear or a sprain, so we'll probably never know what the injury actually is.

Someone above also said that all teams will just kick away from him, well perhaps they will, but he'll be tried first and even then, there will be times that they just can't punt away from him...and if they do, we'll end up getting better field position than we would if he were fair catching every punt...Most punters can't be that accurate when kicking away from returners.
 
boot schmoot... I haven't seen it yet... I think it is a old wives tale... and all the doubters who use it for the "he's a bust" prelude
 
Well the Ginnmeister has the Dolphin faithful divided into 2 camps:

1. The blind optimists:
I don't care about his LisFranc foot thing and the uncertainty of his recovery. I don't care about his skinniness.
I don't care about his actual college stats which are nothing special.
I just know one thing: the boy can flat out run! He's faster than fast! Check out that YouTube video he runs by everyone. Yeah baby!
And anybody that criticizes his selection @ 9 is not a true Dolfan!

2. The Anti-Ginners.
Most of all the Draft experts: a consensus bad pick / reach.
Concerned the injury could be a longterm chronic thing.
Think they could have traded down and gotten someone/ anyone else, or even Ginn himself, at a lower pick and added picks.
Think he's overhyped and very few fast, skinny guys make it in the NFL. (Kelly Campbell???)


Let's hope the Anti-Ginners are wrong because we need his skills.
He's still hurt (how many teams can brag that their #1 pick may not be ready to start the season. Only one...us)
The debate is over for now.
Ted Ginn and his family, like Cam said with forceful conviction, is a Dolphin! Go 'phins!
 
I saw a story out there that it's a possible broken bone in the foot and teams were hiding it before the draft .. Read it a couple days ago.
 
finfan54 said:
This is what every one will be saying based on his highlight reels. But I am going to knock this overexertion down every time I see it because we may have something more here than what people in this management are leading us to believe. The injury is said to be a limsfranc (i think thats what it is called) with a possible bone break. Then we see him without the boot yesterday. So what is really going on here?

I dont think anyone really knows except insiders.

But back to the football end of it. The NFL is not college. It is a long season of 17+ weeks. The Bill Belichicks of the world are not going to kick to this guy. Everybody on this board has gotten themselves all worked up over the same replayed highlight reel time and time again without any real understanding of what the NFL will be like for the already injured Ginn.

They will simply kick away from him or kick short and high so that they can get down field to nail his ***. Thats it! So everyone is going to be looking for these great plays (and of course there will be some), but most of the time we will see nothing, because they will just seek to take him out of his game in other ways. They wont mind kicking short or to the sideline because the other can bring bad results.

Then there is the week to week drag down endurance battle of the 17 week season and this guy wont even be ready except to run an end around or a slant/go pattern. Then the possibility that he gets hurt or reagravates an injury that is being kept in the dark for obvious reasons.


Get ready people for letdown. I am not sitting here trying to be a doom and gloomer, but people are setting themselves up for another major disappointment by making this guy all world with a boot on his foot.
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You're limiting his abilities to returns, which is where I disagree and therefore won't be let down. You don't spend a #9 on a returner. He will return AND play WR, and pay dividends. That's worth a #9 and I won't be let down.
 
zonk4ever said:
Well the Ginnmeister has the Dolphin faithful divided into 2 camps:

1. The blind optimists:
I don't care about his LisFranc foot thing and the uncertainty of his recovery. I don't care about his skinniness.
I don't care about his actual college stats which are nothing special.
I just know one thing: the boy can flat out run! He's faster than fast! Check out that YouTube video he runs by everyone. Yeah baby!
And anybody that criticizes his selection @ 9 is not a true Dolfan!

2. The Anti-Ginners.
Most of all the Draft experts: a consensus bad pick / reach.
Concerned the injury could be a longterm chronic thing.
Think they could have traded down and gotten someone/ anyone else, or even Ginn himself, at a lower pick and added picks.
Think he's overhyped and very few fast, skinny guys make it in the NFL. (Kelly Campbell???)


Let's hope the Anti-Ginners are wrong because we need his skills.
He's still hurt (how many teams can brag that their #1 pick may not be ready to start the season. Only one...us)
The debate is over for now.
Ted Ginn and his family, like Cam said with forceful conviction, is a Dolphin! Go 'phins!
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What are the draft experts saying now that Houston was going to take Ginn at #10? Hmm, maybe the experts don't understand team dynamics well?
 
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