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Was Gary Stevens considered a good OC?

Was Gary Stevens considered a good Offensive Coordinator?

  • Yes

    Votes: 8 42.1%
  • No

    Votes: 11 57.9%

  • Total voters
    19
Mixed feelings about Stevens. He had Marino in his prime so anyone would look competent. As others pointed out - we tried to run more than you think. We just weren’t good at it. The backs weren’t great and even our best o linemen in Webb and Simms weren’t very good run blockers. Now had we found a great back who knows, it may have looked different. By the time JJ came to the team, Stevens may have passed his sell by date. Kippy Brown was way worse though.
Plus on the offensive side I trust Shula of Miami more than I do JJ of Miami. JJ did draft some good players but he made some **** decisions and was glad to see him go but he had the last laugh he got to choose wannstadt as a final **** you.
Stevens lasted 7 years under Shula. Now as for defensive coordinator do not now what Olivadotti had on shula, hope it wasnt kiddy porn

Kippy Brown was only an OC for almost two years in his entire career for a damn reason. The was the worst OC I saw in that era for the phins.
 
I've also been watching old games recently. The team did have a commitment to the running game. They just didn't have the horses to have an effective running game. They tried with Sammie Smith and Mark Higgs to really establish the run. in the early 90's.

Off the top of my head, I have a list of guys who, a one time or another, were featured ball carriers when Marino was in Miami (I will leave out fullbacks such as Byars and Tony Paige because they almost never ran the ball). David Overstreet, Tony Nathan , Woody Bennett, Anda Franklin, Pete Johnson (primarily short yardage), Lorenzo Hampton, Troy Stradford, Sammie Smith, Mark Higgs, Bobby Humphrey (didn't get used much), Terry Kirby, Bernie Parmalee, Irving Spikes, Karim Abdul-Jabbar, Lawrence Phillips, John Avery, Cecil Collins, and James Johnson. Not exactly a list of franchise guys (and I may have left out a few). I still think the lack of a great defense hurt more than the puny running game. The combination of the two was a death knell for long playoff runs.

Agree with you completely. Diversity on offense certainly can help, especially late in games when it helps to run the ball to churn out short yardage first downs. But as we've seen in this current era, teams are slinging it in those situations more and more. Controlled passing.

The Dolphins offense typically moved and scored the ball well enough to win at an elite level, despite the problems running it. The major problem was always stopping the opposition.

When you go back through SB history, you won't find many champions that yielded more than 20-24 points. I haven't researched, but I'm confident the same is true of conference title games too.

In the 1985 AFC Championship game, the Dolphins defense yielded 28 points.
In the 1985 Super Bowl, the Dolphins defense yielded 38 points.
In the 1986 AFC Championship game, the Dolphins defense yielded 31 points.
In the 1993 AFC Championship game, the Dolphins defense yielded 29 points.

That's 31.5 points per game. In the 4 biggest games the Dolphins played in during the Marino era. It's really no surprise they only won ONE of those four games.

In total, the Dolphins played in 18 playoff games during the Marino era. The defense yielded an average of 26.17 points per game.

I don't care who the QB or team is, when your defense is surrendering points like that, the odds of winning aren't very good. Even more so back in that era than today.

Now, the offense underperformed in many of those games too. They are not without blame. Only averaged 20.5 points per game in all 18 games. And sometimes put the defense in poor spots with turnovers and field position. However, some of the offenses inability to put up points can be attributed to the opposition controlling the ball against the defense and also the extra pressure put upon the offense because of it. They often had to take more chances to keep the defense off the field cause they couldn't stop anybody.

All in all, while the lack of a running game has been brought up ad nauseam, I firmly believe the Dolphins pass heavy offense and reliance on Marino was enough to get it done if they just had a viable and consistent defense and special teams. But invariably one or both of those units let them down time after time.

Nobody can convince me that the 84-92 era offense combined with the Zach Thomas, Jason Taylor, Sam Madison, Patrick Surtain, Tim Bowens, Daryl Gardener era defense wouldn't have won a SB. It wouldn't have mattered what the running game was like. That team would have been straight fire.
 
Didn’t do a thing but ride Marino; of course, that was Plan A, B and C from 1983-1995. Didn’t go well ultimately since the team had zero outside of him.

Zero?

He had weapons. He had no running game. And even if he did, I think he would of audible out.

Just watched that '94 opener on NFLN. Irving Fryar, Keith Jackson, Terry Kirby, OJ McDuffie, Mark Ingram and one of my all time favs....Keith Byars.

And that was just offense.
 
Like many college coaches who were very good at the minor league level. Stevens always seemed to be in over his head in the NFL but he was an excellent OC at the University of Miami.
 
Nobody can convince me that the 84-92 era offense combined with the Zach Thomas, Jason Taylor, Sam Madison, Patrick Surtain, Tim Bowens, Daryl Gardener era defense wouldn't have won a SB. It wouldn't have mattered what the running game was like. That team would have been straight fire.

Oh yeah baby!

I like this idea!
 
Stevens, Kippy and Olivadotti three worst coordinators Fins ever had
 
I will never forget the Jacksonville playoff drubbing where Marino audibles and Jax new exactly what was happening int pick six.
 
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