Watching Saints and Eagles -- Amazing time in pocket!

[LDaniel7]

It's mind-boggling how many times Foles gets 5+ seconds to pass the ball.

Simply amazing.

Also, the level of talent on offense for the Eagles -- killer talent at RB, WR, TE and OL -- lights out. Five plus seconds to pass in the redzone, repeatedly? Are you kidding me?

At 8-9 out of 11 spots on offense, the Eagles have better talent than the Phins.

Not counting QB and 1 WR and maybe C.

It's no wonder Miami is mediocre. Miami has most all skill positions on offense filled w. mediocre players and an OL that struggles to give 3 seconds to pass -- when other OLs give 5 seconds every other pass play, lol. That's on GM and drafting. All day long.

LD

 

[Kdawg954]

Foles > Tannehill at this moment. I'd take Clay over Celek/Ertz. He's earned that. Wallace/Jackson is a wash so is Hartline/Cooper. Gibson is better than their #3.

 

[volk]

Foles > Tannehill at this moment. I'd take Clay over Celek/Ertz. He's earned that. Wallace/Jackson is a wash so is Hartline/Cooper. Gibson is better than their #3.

How many times has Tannehill had 5 seconds this year?


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[Jamaicankid21]

Eagles offensive line is amazing. Foles lives in the pocket. Most high powered offenses have a good offensive line. When Foles get pressured he makes so many bad mistakes. No way could he survive in Miami with our o-line and scheme with no running game. Idk if Tannehill would be putting up the numbers that Foles put up in Philly either with Chip Kelly though.

 

[Kdawg954]

How many times has Tannehill had 5 seconds this year?


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How many times has Tannehill missed on deep throws for defenses's to respect our offense? How many times has Tannehill had chances to scramble to pick up yards and instead decided to just stand in there and take punishment?

This is a fast game, you have to make decisions quicker at this level and I'm watching QB's who are being more instinctive and more decisive than Tannehill has been all season.

I know we are stuck with him and I want him to take the next step, but this Tannehill defense squad stuff needs to stop. He deserves criticism for his ****ty play the final 2 weeks of the season.

 

[LDaniel7]

Foles > Tannehill at this moment. I'd take Clay over Celek/Ertz. He's earned that. Wallace/Jackson is a wash so is Hartline/Cooper. Gibson is better than their #3.

Disagree on Foles. Look objectively at what he's asked to do as QB -- and look objectively at the talent around him (vs. the non-talent around Tanny). Foles is good for that system but the weight of the offense is not being placed on him. The throws are often to single coverage or huge windows, scheme open, etc.

Clay isn't better than either Celek or Ertz. I understand the sentimental hometown bias here, but Clay is a decent TE with limited skills whose made some plays. That's all. He's not a consistent threat and can be taken out of games w. single coverage.

Cooper is tons more complete WR than Hartline, more physical and greater catch radius.

And the OL and RB? Off the charts better than Miami's.

LD

 

[Kdawg954]

Eagles offensive line is amazing. Foles lives in the pocket. Most high powered offenses have a good offensive line. When Foles get pressured he makes so many bad mistakes. No way could he survive in Miami with our o-line and scheme with no running game. Idk if Tannehill would be putting up the numbers that Foles put up in Philly either with Chip Kelly though.

Ironically, under Michael Vick they looked pretty ****ty. Change in QB, and wallah . . . they look elite. Coincidence . . . . I mean maybe they have a Riley Cooper attitude towards Vick. Who knows, right.

 

[LDaniel7]

RE: Foles vs. Tanny: I think Foles is a better QB for the Eagles system but not a better QB for a typical NFL offense.

LD

 

[67Stang]

But wait, it's not all Tannehill's fault? Having time to throw helps, even on deep throws? Wow, just wow?!

 

[LDaniel7]

Ironically, under Michael Vick they looked pretty ****ty. Change in QB, and wallah . . . they look elite. Coincidence . . . . I mean maybe they have a Riley Cooper attitude towards Vick. Who knows, right.

It's because that system demands a thinking QB who can put work in details of the system. Which Vick ain't by any stretch of the imagination, lol.

LD

 

[Ilovemyfins4eva]

Disagree on Foles. Look objectively at what he's asked to do as QB -- and look objectively at the talent around him (vs. the non-talent around Tanny). Foles is good for that system but the weight of the offense is not being placed on him. The throws are often to single coverage or huge windows, scheme open, etc.

Clay isn't better than either Celek or Ertz. I understand the sentimental hometown bias here, but Clay is a decent TE with limited skills whose made some plays. That's all. He's not a consistent threat and can be taken out of games w. single coverage.

Cooper is tons more complete WR than Hartline, more physical and greater catch radius.

And the OL and RB? Off the charts better than Miami's.

LD

if its the system, why the **** were the eagles 1-4 or 1-5 before foles took over as starter and finally turned things around and looking like a competent offense on a consistent basis?

vick stunk, barkley was putrid, but foles is just the system?

 

[NCFINFAN13]

So .... it's on the QB?

 

[Kdawg954]

It's because that system demands a thinking QB who can put work in details of the system. Which Vick ain't by any stretch of the imagination, lol.

LD

My worry is, that inspite of Tannehill being a smart kid when it comes to scholastic stuff . . . he may not be cerebral enough to operate under center at the elite level we all hope he gives us. He's not very instinctual at all, very robotic even, and we saw with Chad Henne that isn't good enough. He is much more athletic than Henne and his upside is higher, but again between my perceived notion of his lack of instincts and slow decision making process and the fact that he wasn't able to connect on the homerun ball to Wallace at any point this season . . . I have legitimate concerns about him.

I think that is a fair criticism even if people don't agree with me. My criticism doesn't mean I'm rooting for him to fail, but he's not where we need him to be at this moment.

 

[Jamaicankid21]

Ironically, under Michael Vick they looked pretty ****ty. Change in QB, and wallah . . . they look elite. Coincidence . . . . I mean maybe they have a Riley Cooper attitude towards Vick. Who knows, right.

An over the hill running quarterback who NEVER was a good passing quarterback or Nick Foles and Tannehill.. Hmm.... Yeah lets talk about one of the most overrated QBs the league that survived off running the ball than actually throwing. Michael Vick had one good year throwing the ball and wallah.. He's a good QB.. Give me a break. Michael Vick was good in Atlanta because of how well they ran the ball. Had nothing to do with him throwing the ball. The best year he had in Atlanta he threw 56% and barely threw 14 TDs. Michael Vick has NEVER been a passing QB and he never will be. Hes an over the hill QB who has lost his athleticism and can barely stay healthy his entire career. .

 

[Kdawg954]

An over the hill running quarterback who NEVER was a good passing quarterback or Nick Foles and Tannehill.. Hmm.... Yeah lets talk about one of the most overrated QBs the league that survived off running the ball than actually throwing. Michael Vick had one good year throwing the ball and wallah.. He's a good QB.. Give me a break. Michael Vick was good in Atlanta because of how well they ran the ball. Had nothing to do with him throwing the ball. The best year he had in Atlanta he threw 56% and barely threw 14 TDs. Michael Vick has NEVER been a passing QB and he never will be. Hes an over the hill QB who has lost his athleticism and can barely stay healthy his entire career. .

So the QB . . . DOES have something to do with the offensive line? Or are we not counting Vick as a QB ever in the NFL?

Vick > Tannehill